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I think they are the same in regards that they won't put what they believe right first, rather they are beholden to special interest and renewing and hanging to their own power first.

When America starts voting all the politicians out of office that serve themselves and the special interest before they serve the people, the paradigm will change. It will THEN be in the politicians best interest to serve the interest of the people. But it won't happen until the people hold them accountable! I guess what I am saying is the people get the government that they DESERVE. We are not a bunch of victims of circumstance. We collectively have to show them who has the REAL power.

The reason some people strenuously argue that Democrats and Republicans are the same, and other people argue just as strenuously that they're as different as night and day, is because the two groups of people have different agendas.

From the viewpoint of which aspects of an American's life should be controlled by the State, there is indeed a significant difference between what Democrats say and what Republicans say.

If your agenda is simply freedom, though, neither major party is going to get you any closer than the other.

And it's not just the major parties: the fundamental purpose of the State--every State--is to grow bigger and more powerful by attacking and destroying the liberty of its subjects. Yes, the Republicans jack up the right side of the State while the Democrats jack up the left side; but the objective of every political party, whether explicit or hidden, is to make the government bigger and more powerful in order to impose its agenda. In that sense, there's no substantive difference between Democrats and Republicans--or Libertarians or Greenies or the Worker's Socialist Party or the Reform Party or the Constitution Party or any of the others.

Never happen. It's too late. No matter whom you vote for, the government wins.

They're now in a position where they can take stuff away from a few people and give it to many people, so that the few people vote against them and the many people vote for them.

A welfare queen's vote is worth just as much as a CEO's vote; hence, as long as we vote, whoever promises the welfare queens the juiciest hunks of State largesse most convincingly is going to win, regardless of how viciously he is hated by the CEOs.

Voting is not the answer. It never has been. Democracy and republicanism are both fatally flawed and doomed to failure--just as totalitarianism is, and for precisely the same reasons.

And as long as you keep voting, you're playing straight into the hands of the State. You're acting as part of one of the two pins a Hi-Lift bumper jack uses to ratchet its load ever higher.



Don't believe me? Then imagine what the Old Media would say in the event of a Presidential election in which only five percent of the population voted.

Sheesh, I'm surrounded by fatalists.

hmmmm sounds like you're advocating


Rock the Boat



instead of


Rock the Vote



hey where's my list? lol

I agree.

The Dems are bald faced communists. The Repubs are howdy doody clowns glad handing the commies and pandering to robber barons.

Its a circus to say the least.

Well, how are you going to get enough conservative votes? In my view, big government exists to support the middle class. Think of how many people benefit from the government in SOME way other than "The welfare queens", and "dead beats" (social security, VA benefits,state,local, and federal employees.. ect)..Now, top that off with all the business "conservatives" that benefit to a large degree from government contracts.

Having said that, I think were in this big mess from simple Greed! We need insurance reform and tort reform to reduce the underlying cost of medical care..and a lot of other things. There is a lot of blame to go around!..Maybe we need some new form of government? All I can say is the extremes either way don't seem to work..

To a large extent all one has to do is follow the money trail, and that will show up in the ballot box. My comments are my own and not directed at any one individual. I am conservative in my thinking and voting..all my children are liberal.

cut em all outa the will Thumper, leave it all to charity, then tell em you knew that's what they'd want




as an aside I will PM you the addy to the non profit 1akhunter rifle and trip funding charity

Randy, sorry, didn't read this whole thread, just your last post. Had to respond, cause I haven't aknowleged much in the last 8 or 9 yrs. usually just read because I'm no expert on any topic, just soaking up the info you guys put forth. I like your style, your lingo, and experience on many topics. I gather you're still a small business owner/entrepeneur (can't even spell what I think I might be <G>). I'd like to have a beer with ya when I can make it up there, (I also like that you might be inclined to do some dental work on liberals and p+ssies) Tim.

D = Lets D-estroy America party.
R = Lets R-each across the isle and meet them in the middle.

It's sickening.

Why can't they be diametrically opposed? Why is there even talks of healthcare "reform"? Why won't the repubs just stand up and say no? Why do they think they have to discuss and sit down and debate with flat out communists promoting flat out communism? Why not stand on their platform and tell the commies to piss up a rope? Why not stand on the constitutioin, the supreme law of the land, and call them out as anti-American, lawless and traitorous scum that they are right in front of God and everybody?

It's sickening.

And the ONLY logical reason they don't is that destruction of this country is also their desire, just not quite as quickly...

If they had any balls whatsoever they'd call a spade a spade. Tell the people outright they're on our side. Force the media to cover the 'story' for what it is and just be honest with the American public.

But they don't. Instead, they reach across the isle and try to meet in the middle. There is no middle. The middle is a fiction, pure and simple. If they too, weren't hell bent on destruction of America, they would have proven it a long time ago.

The very few in the R column who actually are against the destruction of America are marginalized even by the remainder of the party.

It's sickening.

The very few that really do have the people's best interest at heaert or would like to see the constitution treated like something other than toilet paper are marginalized or completely ignored by the vast majority of the Republican party... and hidden from view by the media. That is NO ACCIDENT!

The R party's complacency is sickening. The old adage "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" rings very true when it comes to the R's, both as a party and when considering their loyal followers. None of these problems should ever have gotten as big as they've become. Any and all of it could have been stopped... if only they had some balls... and if only they'd have stood up for the people that voted them in.

Voting. That's the next issue. When was the last time we saw someone worth voting FOR? Ya always end up voting against, never for. Who's fault is that?

That too, is NO ACCIDENT!

And it's SICKENING!

You want people to stop sounding like defeatists? Well, you've got to have people in the house and senate who stop rolling over and meetiing in the middle. It's that simple. And it's not goiing to happen because the voters are NEVER offered anyone worthwhile to begin with. Always the lesser of 2 evils. Always. When they meet in the middle they accept defeat, it really is that simple. They don't even fight anymore, just roll over and come to some agreement then move on to the next one, each undermining what this country is/was about a little more than the last.

Team R saw a [bleep] a coming. Rather than face the storm they rolled over. There was so little effort in the 08 election it's pathetic. They should be ashamed of themselves. They not only left their conservative base hanging they left them out to dry, abandoning them for dead... to the vultures.

It's sickening.

The odds of the conservatve base, at this point, reforming the ranks to back party R are very slim. I don't blame them one damned bit, either. Abandon people long enough and hard enough and eventually they do likewise in return. What choice do they have? Team R needs CPR and they're the only ones left in the room to administer it. And frankly, I don't give a damn if they do nor if they succeed once they decide to try. I'm watching third parties very closely and I imagine a very large part of the American populace is doing the same. MANY long standing R voters recently added their names to the swing vote column. If team R doesn't recognize that truth, they're sunk. And they'll be sunk through holes they themselves shot in their own boat with their own guns and their own fingers on the trigger.

I was surprised to the max to find both my lefty senators voted against S1776 (?.. The one that would have shifted 240+ billion out of the health care bill and onto the debt).. I intend to contact them and give an 'attaboy' when deserved..

Both flamers in MN voted 'for'...

Team R has committed suicide.

They have abandoned America and set us adrift in a raging sea.

For the most part, they didn't even try. And still aren't.

It's a brave new world out there, or so the liberals think. And team R seems to be working just as feverishly to see to it America is NOT a player in that new world marketplace as team D.

If you don't support the constitution, there has to be a reason for that.

if you don't support what America was designed to be, there has to be a reason for that.

If you allow communists to take over and swing the tiller violently to the left, there has to be a reason for that.

If you allow America to become a second rate nation on the world's scale, there has to be a reason for that.

Team R has done, and is doing, all of these.

When Delay, Armey, and Gingrich were in control, we had the president and all the power.
They did nothing!
That's when the slide reaaly started.
They didn't appear to know how to be in charge,and let the dems set the agenda. They were wimps.
Now with all the socialist agenda, it's gonna be real difficult if not impossible to change.

"They didn't appear to know how to be in charge,and let the dems set the agenda."
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In other words, they helped.

They weren't part of the solution....

In a mannner of speaking, they weren't any different than team D.

Is that what you're saying? If so, it seems a difficult statement to argue.

When Delay, Armey, and Gingrich were in control, we got tax cuts, nearly a balanced budget and welfare reform. When Hussein, Pelosi and Reid are in charge, we get bail outs, porkulous bribe bills, government take over of private industry, a weak commander in chief, and quadruple the deficits.

Yeah, they're all the same.

LOOK guys, if the difference is between "bad" and "much worse", I'll take bad any day and try to fix it. Hussein, Pelosi and Ried are beyond fixing- get a grip here.

When Gingrich et al were in charge we got a little tax cut.
They spent like fools, and their contractr with America, that was a real sucess, huh?

Wasn't the welfare reform really started by Clinton and
carried on by the rebubs?


I am a consertive, always have been.

No, Clinton was dragged into welfare reform by the republicans.

I understand OP, and you're right. Bad vs much worse is an obvious factor. But the thing is this country can't take the bad anymore. And I've got a feeliing the people aren't going to.

Enough is too much. When is the straw that finally broke the camel's back? Are we going to keep piling new bales of straw on... just to find out?

Team R seems more than willing to do exactly that.