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It's a lot better than what we have NOW!

Here's the deal bro, I think if we have "bad", we can fix it as a nation. What we have now cannot be fixed.

I agree with that, too.

but people havve been trying for a long time without much success.

I don't see it as a defeatist's attitude, just a realist's one.

Let me ask everyone here that seems to have nothing constructive to add a serious question. And this is an honest question. If you think there is nothing that can be done and they are all the same, what exactly do you propose we do???

To me, the republicans are like a truck that got banged up in a collision but a little time in the body shop and it will drive safely again. But the democrats are like a friggin truck that parked in front of an oncoming freight train and resembles a modern art masterpiece that can never be fixed.

If you suggest anything that implies that I have to roll over and watch the country fall into the abyss, you're not going to get my ear. But if you have any realistic solutions that can at least stop the massive arterial bleeding we have now, I'll give it an honest listen.

"If you suggest anything that implies that I have to roll over and watch the country fall into the abyss"
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NEVER!

Never say die.

Only suggestion I have at this time is to look to third parties. We'll have to wait and see what occurs between now and 2010. And go from there. Support those few who actually support American and let the remainder know that the dissatisfaction has reached a pinnacle.

I want to hear from others, too.

I understand, I really do. But I also think the nation is in the midst of change right now. Not the change that Hussein promised but change as the result of Hussein. The country is more divided than I have ever seen and passionately so. This is a major turning point folks and I don't say that lightly. The direction we pick at this point will define our country for the rest of its existence. We can choose to turn the corner and return to our roots or we can accelerate over the cliff with Obama, Selma and Louis.

There is a LOT of passion out there about this very subject- more than I have seen in my lifetime. And it is pretty evenly divided on both sides. The system is very volatile and we need to harness the good energy and defeat the bad energy.

And we if try like hell and lose to evil, we'll have to live with that. But I for one will never admit that it is over and there's nothing that can be done- EVER. If I strike out, by God, I'll do it swinging that bat with all my might. I sure as hell will not strike out looking.

Working for team "A" (America) rather than team "R" or "D" would be a good start.

I am really glad to hear that. I am VERY open to any 3rd party candidate that can represent our founding principles, fiscal sanity, smaller government etc AND CAN WIN. If I see that, I will rally, support, vote, everything I can to help the cause. If I don't think the persona can win, I will do what needs to be done to defeat Hussein and his thugs.

And thank you for the signature line of Barry Goldwater. If elected, that guy could have been our best president of the last century.

why thanks Tim, I'd be glad to have a beer with you if you find yourself in this locale.

still tryin to entremanure a little bit (I tell ya, you've no idea how hard that is when you realize your only God given talent is a line of BS)

if we do ever get to cross paths though you'll wonder "WTF was he thinking offering to do dental work for liberals?" I'm just an average sized guy, with an above average temper.


to OP, AH and the rest that vow to go down swinging (if in fact it is down we must go) I thank you and salute you

tis comforting to know you'll have company


but as bumpy as the road has been I think we've seen just a taste of what's to come before we ever see smooth sailing again.

those boyz in DC are workin OT diggin us a deep hole

You called me a fatalist before. I'm very far from being a fatalist, but I gotta say you're not being particularly smart here. Vote for a candidate of a third party, or a candidate of any party, or a candidate of no party, and what you're doing is putting your faith in the State--because once your guy wins he becomes part of the State--to implement "our founding principles, fiscal sanity, smaller government."

Never happen.

The objective of government is never to get smaller, only bigger. That is why people take jobs with the government. However many squeaky-clean Boy Scout ideologues you manage to elect, or to how high an office, there are always going to be more corrupt, power-grubbing bootlickers. And I think the time for squeaky-clean Boy Scout ideologues is over, anyway. Ron Paul showed us that: you don't get squeakier, Scoutier, or more ideological than he. (That's why I said at the time that Ron Paul's candidacy was more a measurement of America than a bid for the Presidency.) Nobody's going to win who hasn't already corrupted himself beforehand by promising enough handouts to enough people.

The solution has nothing to do with voting or with politicians. The State will not tame itself.

Different folks have different ideas about real solutions, but none of them that have any chance of working have anything to do with voting.

Barak....you been out patrolling the borders of the 'Stan? You've been scarce on the ground around here lately.

There was an interesting discussion on Limbaugh's show with Mark Davis (fill in host) on whether one should bite the bullet and vote Republican even though the Republican is a RINO or one should vote conservative even if it means a Democrat wins the election.

My view is of course, give me a real conservative or I don't show up to vote. To me a RINO or a Democrat makes no difference.

The discussion or debate is still going one.

As usual, you lay it out better than I have done.

Again +1,000.

OP are you listening? Barak knows what he's talking about.

Still not hearing any solutions. It's real easy to say nothing will ever work. It's another thing altogether to come up with a plan that'll work. I have laid out what I think will at least stop the trauma from getting worse. But that's only a short term measure. I admit, I do not have a longer term solution which is why I was asking for inputs. I cannot be as cynical as Barak on the subject. I will keep faith that we will figure out a way to reverse the course. The alternative, imo is totally unacceptible.

I vote by the Buckley rule....vote for the most conservative viable candidate, regardless of party.

There is no solution. The best bet is governing as close to the people as possible as far as governments are concern.

Other than that anarchy is the best bet.

NY-23....the Conservative candidate leads both the Com-Dem and the RINO, according to latest poll:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2009/10/cfg_poll_hoffman_leading_in_ny.php


this one is going to have Rahm and the boys flipping out

Good news!!!
We need to hear more of this kind of stuff.