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Gone with a few oddball loads over time.
1 - 20.0 gr of IMR-4227 under a Lyman 429215 in a .44 Magnum. Left lots and lots of unburned granules but that was an extremely accurate load.
2 - Forget the exact charge but it was a low load of 296 in a Contender Carbine .22 Hornet with the bullet jammed hard into the lands to provide enough resistance for the 296 to get going. Velocity spread was over 100 fps but that was the most accurate load in that Carbine.
3 - With the primer and powder shortage I found that magnum large rifle primers and RL-15 work just fine in the .243. Actually magnum primers work fine anywhere large rifle primers are called for but you do have to juggle the load down a tad.
4 - IMR-4198 makes a good accurate cast bullet powder for the .30-30, although not for top speed. 1 - Still a beginner reloader and brand new to casting. Lyman manual recommended 429215 as good "all around" bullet and IMR-4227. Tried a starting load and it shot great. 2 - Played a hunch/educated guess. 296 needs resistance to burn, can't really crimp a .22 Hornet so I jammed the bullet into the lands. 3 - Had over 1500 magnum primers and no "magnum" rifle, wanted to use them so figured wth, why not use'em with "standard" rounds. 4 - Combo of had it around and a logical guess. Used IMR-4198 in the .223 since forever and wanted to switch to TAC, but still had three pounds of 4198. Also wanted to shoot cast from my .30-30, fast powders and cast go well together, 4198 was the closest to logical powder on the shelf. It works really well and gives about 1800-1900 fps for a mild but accurate load.
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Couldn't find a good handoad for my pre74 243. Using this logic makes my new Sako 300 Wsm a pre-09.  Absolutely, no logic involved....just fat fingers!
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Speer 110gr HC in front of 56grs of Varget.
Started out as a Javelina load for the Aut6, but decided the 22-250 would work better. This load is 1 full grain above the Hodgdon published minimum and shots very flat and very hot. There were no over pressure signs, but after two shots I couldn't touch the barrel. AZ heat didn't help.
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That being gone against conventional wisdom, used a powder that was not suggested by any manual for a certain caliber or bullet, I'm affeared to do that. Figgered it was a no, no. Maybe, if I was a VERY experienced handloader and VERY familiar with the characteristics of the powder. ???? Though. Smitty of the North
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I rarely see the 4350's mentioned for a .308, has anyone tried anyway, then came away with good results? Likewise Varget in a 30-06? A few years ago I found what looked like some promising loads using 4350 in the 308. So I loaded some up and went to the range. Accuracy was fine but the velocities I was getting were about 200 fps under the listed loads. The load manual had a 24 in barrel, my barrel is 22. Hard to believe 2 inches would make that much difference. Velocities with other combos are right where they should be so it was not the gun. My favorite powder in the 308 is RL-15.
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I rarely see the 4350's mentioned for a .308, has anyone tried anyway, then came away with good results? Likewise Varget in a 30-06? A few years ago I found what looked like some promising loads using 4350 in the 308. So I loaded some up and went to the range. Accuracy was fine but the velocities I was getting were about 200 fps under the listed loads. The load manual had a 24 in barrel, my barrel is 22. Hard to believe 2 inches would make that much difference. Velocities with other combos are right where they should be so it was not the gun. My favorite powder in the 308 is RL-15. I wonder, in a instance like that if trying a mag primer would make a difference? Will mag primers make a slower burning powder burn a little quicker?
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Mag primers often times give lower velocities, and greater velocity spread in smaller cases. The only advantage to mag primers is when you are lighting off a large charge of powder, or a powder that isn't easily ignited. In rifles I typically don't use a mag primer unless I'm using over 70 gr of powder.
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VV N140 with 155 and 168 grain bullets in the .30/06. It shoots lights out.
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That being gone against conventional wisdom, used a powder that was not suggested by any manual for a certain caliber or bullet, and stumbled onto a good combo?
Have you ever sifted through the manuals and poured over the internet looking for loads, then winged it and gone with a powder not suggested, and had it pay off in spades. All the time. I do not use reloading manuals when working up loads. Once you understand the various burning rates, it is relatively easy to decide upon starting loads and then the accuracy and chronograph determine the road you travel thereafter.
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