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Leupold must be mad, the scopes going out the back door instead of the front door.

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They couldn't wait to get the chi-coms to start making there stuff.
To get a higher profit.
When the chi-coms copy there product they cry like babies.
Welcome to free trade with chi-coms.
dave

Seems that even the "real" Leupolds are counterfeits.

Has anyone compared the China made one to the ones assembled here to see how much of a difference there is?

Doubt the scopes are going out the backdoor, just that the words "proprietary and copyright" have zero meaning in China. There are Chinese manufacturers that will manufacture anything you want, you just send them the specs or the product itself and they will bid it. Downside is, there is no such thing as an exclusive contract or copyright laws in China so if another Chinese company wants to produce the same product you are having built there, for a price company #1 will make your product for them as well and your only recourse, if you can even prove it, is to stop doing business with them.

A lot of U.S. companies are learning this the hard way. But if you play with fire, you should expect to get burned.

I got a 6.5-20x40 EFR Target new in the box... Well, it's been sitting here for about 6 months, work is killing me, no time.....

I CAN NOT find any "MADE IN" anywhere on the box, pamphlets or scope.... What gives?? I'm I to assume that it is made in USA???

Turd people: I don't see where "Leupold is crying like babies" ANYWHERE!
I also don't see any diminishment what so ever in the quality of Leupold Rifle scopes!
I have many dozen Leupold products right now and use them just about daily!
I have as yet to EVER have a leupold scope fail me in any way shape or form! And i have Hunted with them in every imagineable type harsh condition and rough travel!
I have Leupold scopes made in the late fifties and early sixties in fact - and they still function perfectly!
nd I have Leupold scopes that were purchased this year and dittoes there - they function perfectly and perform wonderfully on my Rifles!
Me thinks the Leupold naysayers are bankrupt these days and are grasping at straws to try and besmirch the worlds best selling Riflescopes - petty and immature as that my be!
Trying to BLAME Leupold for some clandestine and illegal operation/product coming out of China is just that PETTY and IMMATURE!
Get a life you turds.
Sheesh!
I was just at a huge gunshow on the west coast and the Leupold scopes (both new and used) sold better than ANY brand there!
I sold a couple of them in fact for profit myself.
I ran across one fellow that was so disappointed that his Weaver V-16 was not selling that late on Sunday afternoon I virtually stole it from him!
Weaver, if I recall correctly, is making their scopes in the Phillipines or Japan - they still are good scopes but nowhere near Leupold quality/reliability.
I am happy to hear the fine folks at Leupold recently BOUGHT the Redfield rights and are now producing a lifetime warranty Redfield scope at moderate prices!
I only hope Leupold will be doing warranty work on older Redfields as I have a couple of them that I have not been able to get reliably serviced for many years now!
Unlike the dozens upon dozens of Leupolds I now own and have owned in the past - the Redfields DO fail!
Long live Leupold & Stevens Company!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

What gives??? What gives is your not reading the post above! So read this.

Scopes have no country of origin marked on the packaging, instructions or product. Call back from Leupold informs me that the scopes are assembled in Oregon but so many of the parts and sub-assemblies are made over-seas (mostly China except for some of their lenses)that they do not qualify for the Made in USA stamp!

One of my favorite reads.
This pretty much sums up Leupold.
From Snipershide

catshooter
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posted January 22, 2006 21:52
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Originally posted by kgunz11:

Why did Leupold ever support Premier in the first place? It is not like Premier kept Leupold in business or anything. Premier is a TINY fish in the scope pond. I think someone should call Leupold and find out if what Premier said was true, and when the truth comes out I think you will see that Premier just dont want to do Leupold work anymore, they have enough business in assembling S&B scopes that they are turning their back on the shooters. Which that don't bother me, they are building scopes for our troops. I do have a problem with the fact that Premier is not loyal to us the shooters and I will have a hard time doing business with them ever again.

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And this gem... (that could only come from a know nothing dork that's all mouth and no brains!)


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Originally posted by kgunz11:
Funny how Leupold can become the enemy but Premier will always be the friend... no matter how much they shi t on you.

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Sir kgunz11...
You could not be more wrong if you tried - it is safe to say that you know nothing about the history of the scope industry in this country, and less than nothing about scopes in general.

I have been shooting long enough that I do not suffer the ignorances of young fools very well, especially when it comes to slights against personal friends of mine.

I am catshooter (aka KittyWacker, CatMan, and 'lito).

I had known Dick Thomas for a long time - when the patent office refused to patent the Gen-II reticle, Dick asked me to help, and I was the person that wrote the technical documents that caused the patent office to reverse their position and grant the patent for the Gen-II... in case you doubt my qualifications.

Premier Reticles is NOT a tiny fish, and Premiere Reticle is the company that is greatly responsible for where Leupold is now.

So... listen up, little puppy, here's a history lesson.

Back in the early days when you were riding a tricycle (or maybe before that), Leupold was a smallish scope company (A LITTLE FISH), - a family owned company that made good hunting scopes, but they were among a bunch of other larger companies like Redfield (a King), and Weaver (damn big), and B&L (top dawg) and Unertl (THE best target scopes, and the only maker of US sniper scopes), and Lyman (second best target scopes)... Leupold was a real "little fish".

Their scopes were nice, but not the best, but they were getting better.

Premier Reticles was a company that made reticles for military instruments... artillery sights, sextants, bomb sights, mortar sights, you name it, they made it - they had tons of patents in the reticle business, and they were THE company to go to.

Leupold wanted to sell sniper sights to the military... Unertl had that market locked up solid, but Unertl was a small company and delivery was slow... plus old man John Unertl (also a personal friend, so careful what you say about him), John would only sell to the Marines.
He would NOT sell to the Army - he thought the army snipers were a bunch of xxx xxxxx, which at the time, was probably true.

Leupold wanted the army contract, but the army would not buy Leupold's "Ultra" scope (precursor to the Mk4-M3), because it had a glass reticle. At the same time, Premier was fitting wire reticles to many other shooting scopes, as was T.K. Lee company.

Leupold got Premier to retrofit and continue to fit, all their sniper scopes with wire reticles with "Football" mil dots... for those of you that care - T.K. Lee used little dots glued on to the wires, and they would shoot off after a while... Premier used a process that had the dot wrap itself around the wire, so it could NEVER ever fall off.

Leupold got the contract, Premier and Leupold made an agreement to work together... Leupold got very fat, and for a while Premier got a little fat. Premier turned away a lot of other companies work because of the relationship with Leupold.

That was the first part.

The second part is this... when Bench Rest got started, Unertl was THE scope to own... but they were heavy. There were two bench rest organizations in place, and the larger organization's rules allowed for the weight... but when they merged, the rules were re-written, and scope weight became a BIG deal over night.

Everyone wanted lighter BR scopes... Weaver pretty much owned the early BR market, but their glass was just so-so.

Leupold had better glass, but their scopes were low power.

So, Ta-Ta, Premier came to the rescue and started to "bump" the standard Leupold scopes up to 16x, 20x and 25x, (a big deal in those days).

Now the world turned around over night, cuz Weavers were made of steel, and Leupolds were made out of that Aluminum stuffie... so a riffle with a Leupold/Premier conversion could have a fatter barrel for the same weight class... to those anal-retentive BR shooters, this was a 180 turn in market share, and Leupold became KING over night (well... probably took 6 months), and it killed Weaver, which became a third class scope company in a year or two.

All of this was all under the old man, Mr. Leupold, who's ethics were beyond reproach.

But after ol' man Leupold went TU, the company got run by Harvard School of Business bean counters.. and their attitude is "What's this loyalty shi t, fuc k Premier!", and that started about 5/6 years ago, and when Dick Thomas died, the last strings died with him.

If you look at the current Leupold catalogue, you see scopes that were designed by a Madison Avenue art designers. They're probably the same guys that design packaging for Game Boys, dashboards for Hondas, and boxes for Krispy Puffs.

dave

Thanks , A.D.D kicked in and I am sick as a dog..

I thought that it was a law that the country that it was made in had to be made known..
I don't know... My friend who is steeped in all things shooting told me what to get because he said and I quote "It's Made in America"...

I would call him but it's Christmas eve and don't want to ruin it for him.. I'll tell him over the weekend.. OOO he is going to be pissed...

O-well so much for customer loyalty now.. It's a scope is a scope and the BEST price will win out...

Man alive. What were you smoking before you typed this literary gem.

dave posted "But after ol' man Leupold went TU, the company got run by Harvard School of Business bean counters.. and their attitude is "What's this loyalty shi t, fuc k Premier!", and that started about 5/6 years ago, and when Dick Thomas died, the last strings died with him.

If you look at the current Leupold catalogue, you see scopes that were designed by a Madison Avenue art designers. They're probably the same guys that design packaging for Game Boys, dashboards for Hondas, and boxes for Krispy Puffs."


Unfortunately, this scenario has been the downfall of many great companies nowadays.

This thread sure took a strange turn.

This is not something that just happened recently, hhelll I saw counterfeit Lueppy 2 or 3 years ago at a local gunshow.
The same junk you could buy off FleaBay for 100 bucks for 3 or 4 scopes a dealer was trying to get 300 dollars for a 3.5x10 Mark 4 wanna be. I called him out on it and he still thought it was a helluva buy as a real one went for 800 or so.

Serial numbers are the sure tell.

MO

+1

those are pretty strong words to be calling people arent they?

Ah, Dave, you've found a guy as bad as you are about Leupold scopes.
For instance, Leupold's Mk.4 scopes, when equipped with Mil-Dot reticles, are of the etched design. That's done because they can more accurately place the dots than they can with the wire reticle designs.
Another. Leupold got it's rep and it's first in sales position due to their commitment to producing reliabile, tougher scopes. That was what got them to where they are today. E
Nice try. E

Dont have to try very hard.
You have a good holiday E.
dave

TURD PEOPLE BWAHAHAHA.. I love that...


It's sad that when you lament the fact that your industry is going offshore you are called Turd People by some...

Sometimes it go's so far over one's head they just don't hear the whistle...