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It wouldn't be the ten commandment if you only posted half of them.

The schools are another prime example.

Kids have no choice but to be there (most of them, anyway). They are being taught by government employees. ANY favoring of ANY religion is just plain going to seem, to the kids, as if the State itself is favoring or even pressing them towards that religion.

True that, but I still think that the 10 Commandments are sound and a good basis for secular law, and I can't see quite why JO is threatened by that 'code?'

It's quite clear to me, it means no laws should be made "respecting an establishment of religion", this has nothing to do with mandate about going to church, it is much broader and more encompassing than that.

Our founding fathers had a healthy fear of the Puritans taking over the government and forcing their views through legislation on everyone else.

Here's me, standing there watching Nemesis trying to have a "debate".

I'm not trying to debate you................you [bleep] piece of schit!

There's nothing to debate here.

You are a low life, immoral, sacrilegious, baby killing, Obama voting son-of-a-bitch and as far as I'm concerned that's indisputable........................

Oh........and you're stupid too!

Letter from Jesus about Christmas --

It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season. How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be
most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed with children of your own. I don't care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn't allow a scene depicting My birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santas and snowmen and put in a small Nativity scene on your own front lawn. If all My followers did that, there wouldn't be any need for such a scene on the town square because there would be many of them all around town.

Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, look up John 15: 1 - 8.

If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it:

1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.

2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don't have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.

3. Instead of writing the President complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don't you write and tell him that you'll be praying for him and his family this year. Then follow up... It will be nice hearing from you again.

4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can't afford and they don't need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.

5 Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.

6. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don't know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.

7. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren't allowed to wish you a "Merry Christmas" ,that doesn't keep you from wishing them one. Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn't make so much money on that day they'd close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families.

8. If you really want to make a difference, support a ministry, especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.

9. Here's a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who, not only will have no "Christmas" tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don't know them, buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity that believes in Me and they will make the delivery for you.

10. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don't do things in secret that you wouldn't do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.

Don't forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love Me and do what I have told you to do. I'll take care of all the rest. Check out the list above and get to work; time is short. I'll help you, but the ball is now in your court. And do have a most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love and remember :


I LOVE YOU,

JESUS


With God, anything is possible.

340boy - not all of the ten commandets are a sound basis for secular law.

Someone sent this to me a few weeks ago. This might be a good place to share it.

Tim... seriously... you can't see a problem with posting "commandments" in a place of government authority that include stuff about how you can't have other gods, or make images, or whatever?

I mean I have no problem with the stealin' and killin' part but we don't need them for THAT.

I agree that the state should be impartial.

The schools are another prime example.

Kids have no choice but to be there (most of them, anyway). They are being taught by government employees. ANY favoring of ANY religion is just plain going to seem, to the kids, as if the State itself is favoring or even pressing them towards that religion.

This is all fine and dandy for you Christians since you are basically in charge of the damn country, but try for a moment to visualize your FURY if your kid came home every day from school, having been compelled to (say) pledge allegiance to a flag under Allah.

No, I don't see the problem, Jeff.
I think that just because the Commandments are posted at say, a courthouse, doesn't mean that the state of Oregon is going to 'make' JO become a Christian or penalize you for being an agnostic, atheist, Buddhist, whatever.


Again, I will ask, why does having any semblance of Christianity in our government threaten you?

Our founding fathers had a healthy fear of the Puritans taking over the government and forcing their views through legislation on everyone else.