Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What is a "progressive" vs a "liberal" ?

A liberal is a communist who is too stupid to try to hide behind the progressive label.
A progressive is a communist who understands the word liberal has negative connotations, and seeks to redefine the language (control the dialectic, comrades) to better suit his or her purposes. Kind like how environmentalists have tried to hijack the "conservationist" label.

And yes, Partagas, Progressive is owned by a Peter somebody who is butt-buddies with Soros, in Move On and a bunch of other left wing star chambers.

Dat's what I was thinking...:D

So there aren't many rightists left... I mean... remaining eh?

Well,,, Gosh,,,
I am a lefty/righty.
Eat, write, and shoot LH, but play sports Right handed, throw swing a bat et.

So,,, does this mean moderates are ambidextrous?

"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and
Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes.
The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being
corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his
revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his
tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who
rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins.
He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new
blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of
immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or
mutual check, in our Constitution."
-- Gilbert Keith Chesterton
(1874-1936) British essayist, critic, poet, and novelist
Source: Illustrated London News, 1924

Far as I can tell, only very liberal Democrats can see a distinction between the two.....whatever the difference is, it must be danged subtle..........



Casey

If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal.

If you want government to intervene overseas, you're conservative.

If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate.

If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist. -- Joseph Sobran

Actually, that's not a bad truism........


Casey

It's a sliding scale. At the far right are folks that think like Barak (our Barak here at the Campfire), i.e., so far right that they want government so small and decentralized that it exists only in each individual who each constitutes a tiny government unto himself. At the middle right are folks like me, Andrew Napolitano, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Peter Schiff, etc. (not to mention five or six others here at the Fire), basically in line with the thinking of Founders like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Your typical Republican is only slightly right of center, or rather a mixture of right and left thinking, but the balance (when you throw all their views together and average them) is slightly right of center.

lol

I like that.

There's some bleed over on the liberal/conservative/moderate want lists, but that little snippet pretty much nails it.

And there's me who's crazy.

Aren't you an extreme right winger like Barak?

I guess so. I just thought you and everybody else thought I was crazy. Like what's name Sobal, I've gone from a government type to an anarcho-capitalist.

So you desire so little government, and such decentralization of governance, that it amounts to each individual being a government unto himself. That's "off-the-scale" right wing.

I had a book I don't know if I still have it or not called the "Sovereign Individual" that was based on the concept that technology would eventually lead to a sovereign individual from such technology as the Internet. Fuel cells for the home would go a long way to a sovereign individual too.

I do believe that people will eventually become their own sovereign and there will be no need for governments. It won't happen in my life time of course but it will happen.

If all we have to look forward to is more government well heck abortion is a viable option after all.

For the most part, it sounds like most of you guys think like I do, that a liberal, a progressive, and a socialist are pretty much the same damn thing. Leftist pinko scum

But one of the things I found the funniest over the at DU, is that the "progressives" are arguing with the "liberals". So again, what I am saying is that they don't think that they are the same as each other. It seems like the libs want the progressive to be more liberal, and vice verse.

So I had to go back over there and see if I could figure out what they think the answer to this question is (other than they are all just the opposite of conservatives).

I know that a fly is not a cow, I already knew that, but still when I refer to flies, even though I have little use for any of them, I still want to know if I'm referring to a house fly, a horse fly, a deer fly, or whatever.

Disclaimer, this is from a thread over there where they are at each others philosophies, and none of it is my philosophy.

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"In the US. To be liberal is to be a supporter of free markets and republican government. You can get a feel for just how meaningless the term is when you consider that a "neo-con" and a "neo-liberal" are the same thing. Historically, Alexander Hamilton was a liberal, Napolean was a liberal, and Porfirio Diaz was a liberal. Obviously, there's a lot of room within that term.

"Progressivism is a term that implies a reformist attitude toward social problems. Liberal progressives, who wish to attempt social reform, are, in the US, the opposing force to conservatives, who also champion a liberal economy and republic but don't believe government should play a role in social reform, or indeed that there should be real attempts at social reform.

I don't consider myself a liberal because I have anarcho-syndicalist tendencies, but I do consider myself a progressive because I believe in social reform. So, I'm not being a coward for not claiming the title "liberal"; I'm being honest".
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They got their Neo-libs and DINOs too! and they are all getting worked up and cussing each other about the Mass. election!

I only can see this as good for the conservative cause -- swing right, Swing baby swing!!!!!!

Used to be that a liberal was an eastern elitist who was a democrat and a progressive was a midwestern farmer who was a democrat.

You left out conservatives as being pretty much the same as liberals, progressives, and socialists. More intrusive government via republicans isn't much different than more intrusive government via democrats.

No I didn't!