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There was a time I was a huge supporter....no one can speak and deliver a message like Newt.

I understand about forward basing, especially IRT logistics, but having men in 120 countries around the world and all at our expense? Why do we still have troops garrisoning Japan and Germany? Let them pick up the tab for their defense, or pay us for it, and not by purchasing our debt. All that does is make us beholden to them. Let them pay us what it costs. Same with the rest of the freeloading world. This activity has us well along the road to bankruptcy, because between military expenditures and our social programs, we cannot afford it anymore. Something has to give, and expenditures for defending people who can afford to defend themselves is one that has to end.

What's silly about abolishing the IRS and going to a straight flat tax paid by everyone-no exceptions, and no "progressivity". I would even go with a consumption tax if we could rid ourselves of the 16th Amendment. At least with either a universal flat tax or a consumption tax, everyone would have skin in the game, and would be much more wary about how and why funds were spent.

You already know my feelings on the Fed. When the ponzi scheme that is the Fed implodes under its own weight of debt, and we're held liable for it, and our currency is finally destroyed by the Feds activities, then maybe people will understand how pernicious an institution it is. There's a very good reason that most of the founders did not want a central bank, and you're seeing the reason why unfold every day.

I've yet to hear a good counter argument from the pro nation building crowd.

Mike,
Very well thought out and very well delivered. You sum it up nicely. Add several other small items as part of the fiscal insanity such as continuing to fund the postal service instead of giving it to Fed Ex or UPS, the unfunded liability in Medicair and SS, and an administration that thinks it can buy anything no matter the cost and we have a perscription for disaster.
Balanced Budget Amendment, Term Limits,and rid our Congress of all incumbants regardless of the party and the cure begins. My order is backward because we won't get item #1 or #2 until we the people purge the halls of government.
The real sad thing here is practically every state has hundreds of billions of unfunded liability problems as well. I used to dismiss Beck as a nambling naysayer of negativity. Unfortunatley the guy has it right regards the fiscal incompetance.

Dave

hard put to separate logical from illogical, it just leaves you "ill"

RP= creepy. Creepy people sell records but not votes.

Steve , I've found you to be right more often than not, but [and I'm not an R P er] the fact is that we don't KNOW what would happen were we to pull out of a bunch of countries militarily and stop this discredited nation building strategy .

Anybody showing an inclination to roll the dice [ like Goldwater ] and depending on our country to manage the aftermath , has always been branded a " kook " .

Life is full of chances and trying to avoid ANY downside to an option is a sure path to failure .

Never happen without blood in the streets. Nor should it. Billionaires at the same tax rate as a couple kids working three jobs trying to feed a couple of kids? That would give the Obama's of the world all they need to bring real live marxism to America.

Then you might as well resign yourself to continued class warfare and "tax the rich" rhetoric, with a concomitant continued expansion of the welfare state.

When 51% of the public can vote to tax the other 49% into oblivion, there's no reason to continue working to support the system. Eventually, you run out of other peoples money and the system collapses.

Unless everyone has skin in the game, and receives the same level of taxation, nothing changes. An 11% flat tax on everyone, including business, would cover our current expenditures. Not having participation by all citizens is what started this problem, and it won't end as long as some feel it is their right to take other peoples property for their own benefit.

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Well, for one, Russia and China would probably assume tenancy. 2nd, our presence assures rapid,necessary forward movement of air strikes and delivery of supplies to battle areas in timely fashion and many of you, I suggest, are completely ignoring our forward base's impact regarding the maintenance and continuation of global capitalism. Maintaining military power on these forward bases insures continued world capitalism which, of course, is necessary for the maintenance and continuation of economic globalization.

It's because we are there that we live the way we do here!!

Cut at home, there's plenty of room here to make a huge forward progress styled dent. The taxation scheme Mike speaks of, deportation of illegals and a shut down of 70% of the handouts this country gives would be more than a significant beginning to recovery. Our national defense and strategically placed forward bases need be left untouched for the most part to maintain that which we now take for granted.

You all don't seem to mind the Guantanamo forward base policy now that they wish to try these POSs in the states. If you wish to place our competitive super powers in our forward bases in our stead, then I'd suggest you're focusing on a very simple aspect of the global picture and not the broader ramifications.

Well,...that much is true.

It absolutely should. The math, and concept is simple. The billionaires will pay much, much, much ... more than the poor. A flat percentage of a whole lot, is a whole lot. A flat percentage of very little, is very little. If everyone pays a flat percentage, they all have a stake. And my how wonderfully simple filling out the income tax return would be. Granted, H&R Block and friends would need to seek new hunting grounds.

I just finished his book, Arguing with Idiots.

If you haven't read it yet, wait no longer!

WN

rise to what?

Contention.

who do you think he would team with?

Romney.

Gingrich/Romney or Romney/Gingrich? Newt gives a good speech, but I have reservations. Give him a maybe. Romney? No way, no how. RINO through and through, regardless of his business background. There are plenty in business who are more than willing to spend OPM on their pet ideas.