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The meaning of "fair" is different for liberals and conservatives. For a liberal, fair means equality of outcome enforced by state power. For a conservative it means equality of the ground rules, and let the chips fall where they may based on individual capability, fortune, effort, etc. To a conservative, making sure the rules of a baseball game are applied without any consideration for the differences in the abilities of the two teams or the individual players equates to a fair game. To a liberal, a fair baseball game is one where the less able team is given some degree of favoritism by bending the rules a little, and making sure that everybody gets an equal amount of time in play, regardless of their ability. A conservative thinks the latter, by definition, unfair, and the liberal thinks the former, by definition, unfair.

How explain this difference? Liberalism is a mental disorder.

I see your point, and agree that when idiots are involved in the interpretation of FAIR, one can run many miles in the wrong direction. I see no difference in the word "fair" and the phrase "equality before the law." But perhaps the phrase is more specific, and God knows, we need specificity in our laws in an age of "What is the meaning of IS?" Point taken .

I think any time one is dealing with politicians and dissemblers, language needs to be very precise. An unfortunate, but true, aspect of living in our age.

This is not directed at anyone in particular - it's more of an " if the shoe fits , wear it" - comment :

I didn't know until Ricky pointed it out , and I take his word for it on the black part of the bible , that the bible devotes so much space to money , but it makes sense that it would . Jesus also talked more about Satan than He did about the Father .

Both sound like warnings to me .

That's why when I read christians on here spending so much typing time on taxes , I wonder if maybe their priorities ain't a little skewed .

If the gov't left you more money , what you gonna do with it ? Maybe " lay it up here on earth " ?

Like it's any business of yours?

That would come down to the free choice aspect of biblical teachings, and is not for some entity here on earth to decide, at least not in a free society.

I didn't have you in mind when I wrote it .

Advocate? No. Acknowledge the presence and continuation of coercion, most certainly He did, and that included not just coercion but major persecution all the way to horrible deaths. Of course, He wasn't wrong.

We weren't talking about charity but taxes to run the government.

You believe it's fine to pay the same tax % that someone making a shadow of what you or I do. Sure that would be great for us, but I do not believe it is either fair or in the best interest of the country. Put people in a situation where they cannot meet their essential needs and they will dispair or rebel. There is much more of that coming, and soon.

I don't feel like going into any detail beyond that. I have much to do today and need to get to it.

We can agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

But that has nothing to do with the subject at hand and neatly sidestepped the point. You believe it is OK to coerce.


Yes, I do think it's fair to pay a flat rate. The more you make, the more you pay. The less you make, the less you pay. It's simple and fair. Your idea of "fair" is charity by taxation, which is coercion.


Likewise, other than to say that sometimes one has to be hard with others if they are ever to grow and prosper. It's not something one has to be comfortable with, but one does what has to be done. And I can assure you, I come from a humble start.


We agree on this much.

I strongly agree with most of Beck's basic conservative principals, but his shaky grasp on 20th century history keeps me from taking him very seriously. Specifically, his equating Theodore Roosevelt with the racist, elitist, self righteous Woodrow Wilson seems to be based on one book and not on any in depth historic study.

I don't know about TR being a racist, but he was one of the foremost progressive Republicans of his day, and set the stage for most of the items that killed the Republic as it was designed, namely, the 16th and 17th Amendments and the establishment of the Federal Reserve.

I was trying to say Wilson was he racist, not TR. Your analysis of TR is the same as Beck's incorrect opinion.

So tell me where he and I are incorrect.

Well said.

Very well said!

"I understand how percentages work. I also understand that those generating higher incomes typically utilize more of the infrastructure tax revenues go to support. That is why they should also pay a higher percentage ie progressive. Another thing I understand is those who support a non-progressive flat tax or a consumption tax believe it will benefit them financially, not because it is fair."

Gotta disagree. IME, the dregs are the biggest consumers of infrastructure resources in the community I work. It's not the mid to upper class folks who are calling 911 to come get their kids out of bed for school. They aren't the people calling for a "bamblance" ride to the hospital for some silly reason. The list goes on.

In the 60's when LBJ was pres., there was talk of a flat tax. Someone figured out that a 5% tax on ALL income and a 10% tax on businesses would clear the deficit in less than 2 years. And this was during the Vietnam War. IIRC in 10 years there would be so much money accumulated that the taxes could have been reduced.

Of course the fat-cats didnt want to pay taxes, and money talks, so this idea was dropped... but they (congress) kept spending.

a little off-subject, but i wonder how much he's being paid on an annual basis? anything he makes, is well worth it, not complaints. a dollar up front is far better than a dollar thirty years in the future, right?

so, how much do our favorite broadcasters make?? the Rush, the Hannity, the Beckman, etc..etc.

Entertainment pays well, doesn't it??

Some of it does . You , on the other hand , are free .

[quote=curdog4570]Some of it does . You , on the other hand , are free . [/quote)

i'm beginning to think the Beck Man might be a self-serving entertainer? but, of course, i could be wrong, couldn't i??


entertainment for a fee, in order to stir the masses, what a concept.