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I would like to know what your load is for doing that. You've got 125 fps on a Nosler factory load and 100 fps over the A-square load.
The extra 30 grains and 100 fps isn't enough for me to bother with the 338-06 again. I'll go straight to 9.3. I've found at least 10 250gr loads that run from 2569 to 2645 so it is doable. Rifle #105 has 6 loads in that range. Hornady 5th has 2. Reloadersnest has 2. Handloader #184 has 1. I don't get 2600 with my current 19" 338-06 but 59gr of IMR4350 under a 250SPBT gets me over 2500 with no pressure signs. 60gr H4350, same bullet, gets me just under 2500. The highlighted portion of your post is where we differ. I don't use, nor like, any .30 caliber so the jump from my .284 to my .338 is .054" which is similar to the gap from .308 to .366. I don't use .30 caliber either. I have a 7mm Mauser and a .375 Holland.
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Let's not forget that the .350 Rigby Magnum (rimless) was once a popular medium bore in Africa back in the day (prior to World War II). http://www.kynochammunition.co.uk/Ballistics: 225 gr bullet (.358") at 2625 fps (24 inch barrel) That sure is very similar to the current Federal factory loading of a 225 gr bullet at 2600 fps for the .35 Whelen. Also, the 9x57 Mauser (.356" nominal groove diameter) with a 247 gr bullet at around 2300 fps was not that much different from the .35 Whelen with a 250 gr bullet at 2400 fps (factory ammo specs). From my reading, it seems that the .350 Rigby was never really meant to be regarded as a dangerous game cartridge though there were 225 gr solids available. (Note: a 225 gr .358" bullet is lacking in sectional density compared to the more traditional African dangerous game cartridges and bullet weights.) It seems that the .350 Rigby was regarded as a fine plains game cartridge and so was the 9x57 Mauser. The .35 Whelen fits into the same ballistic niche. Now, that said, I'm a big fan of the 9.3x62 but I also own a .338 Win Mag, a .35 Whelen, and a .375 H&H. (I must be a medium bore loony! ) I once owned a .338-06 (I never hunted with it) but I sold it when I acquired my 9.3x62. And, I also like my .30-06 especially when loaded when 220 gr bullets. Just my ramblings.... Cheers! -Bob F.
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I can't imagine using 250gr bullets out of my 338-06's for anything. Just like I can't imagine 220gr 30 caliber bullets for anything. There are better choices for both cartridges and calibers.
I am currently trying to sell some Hornady 250gr RN and FMJ in the classifieds, because I will never need them. If I ever needed to use them, it would be on what? Polar/Brown bear? Cape Buffalo? If that day ever comes, I have better cartridge choices and bullet selection to choose from.
I killed a bison with the .338/06 although truth be told I wish I'd used a larger cartridge. The first two shots had little effect, the third hobbled him up good. Bullet was a 250gr partition, the box said 2500 fps. Expansion was picture perfect, although no bone was struck. At that velocity the Partition looks like a really good bullet. Not sure I'd want to shoot a 210 partition from a RUM or anything like that.
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I'd still like to know what a 9.3 with it's 286 or whatever will do that the 338/06 with the 275 won't do? Plus I feel it'll penetrate just as far or further...think..grin
Dober For most here it doesn't matter, but try buying a box of 275gr ammunition for a .338 mail order, let alone off a shelf.
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Personally I was thinking about an elk rifle so if anyone's got experience with elk & the 9.3x62 that would be interesting as well.
My 06 kill's em so I'm thinking it couldn't do worse that the 06.
I shot a moose three times with the 286 Oryx, including two broadside and one quartering, and recovered no bullets, nor was there any evidence of bullet failure. I was very happy.
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That's the thing with either the 9.3x62 or the 338-06. Very few folks, in the US at least, don't own or care to own either of these unless they handload. I have shot very few factory loaded cartridges out of any of my CF rifles.
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I can't imagine using 250gr bullets out of my 338-06's for anything. Just like I can't imagine 220gr 30 caliber bullets for anything. There are better choices for both cartridges and calibers.
I am currently trying to sell some Hornady 250gr RN and FMJ in the classifieds, because I will never need them. If I ever needed to use them, it would be on what? Polar/Brown bear? Cape Buffalo? If that day ever comes, I have better cartridge choices and bullet selection to choose from.
I killed a bison with the .338/06 although truth be told I wish I'd used a larger cartridge. The first two shots had little effect, the third hobbled him up good. Bullet was a 250gr partition, the box said 2500 fps. Expansion was picture perfect, although no bone was struck. At that velocity the Partition looks like a really good bullet. Not sure I'd want to shoot a 210 partition from a RUM or anything like that. Often what makes it "look good" slows it down....
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Personally I was thinking about an elk rifle so if anyone's got experience with elk & the 9.3x62 that would be interesting as well.
My 06 kill's em so I'm thinking it couldn't do worse that the 06.
I shot a moose three times with the 286 Oryx, including two broadside and one quartering, and recovered no bullets, nor was there any evidence of bullet failure. I was very happy. ..shot a Moose once with a 225 grain Swift A-Frame...(.358 dia.) ..shot another Moose also "once" with a 250 grain Partition..(.358 dia.) ...shot a crap load of deer "once" with a 225 grain TSX...(.358 dia) bullets went in, and bullets went out...both Moose, and every deer went in the freezer. ...love that single shot Ruger in 35 Whelen...
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From a ballistics standpoint (the only standpoint I have with any of these calibers...) I believe that Dober is right on this. I just went to Woodleigh's website and they do, indeed, make a 300 gr FMJ in .338. So when factoring in roughly equivalent MV's the .338's higher SD and smaller frontal area should theoretically penetrate better (slightly).
That being said, when I read of all the elephant taken by the old timers with the 7x57 and .303, I can't imagine ANYTHING knowing the difference no matter which cartridge you choose. Scratch your itch!!!
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9.3 is much more of a great thing. And there are plenty of bullets to choose from. How many do you need?
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