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gents..been eyeballing a 1-AB in 25/06, one of the lipsey's guns, but the 1B forend doesnt appeal to me. will the 1-A forends fit that one (i know i may have to inlet some for barrel contour)

secondly....will ruger even sell the forends? anyone tried to order one?

Ruger does not sell or install parts that were not on the issued item.

I think some were sold in AH profile. Check with Numero Uno!

1B

Fyrpower,

The barrel contour on the #1-AB is the same as the #1-A. Thus the 1-A fore-end will be just a bolt on...

However, Ruger will not sell you one. Unless you send in the rifle to have it "Factory fitted." And when you do, Ruger will not alter the original configuration in any way.

Thus the only way to facilitate the move... Is to buy a Ruger #1-A and remove the fore-end. Send the rifle back to Ruger and ask for a new fore-end... (About $90.00, the last I knew) and they will fit one to it and return it. Put the original fore-end back on the #1-A and you will have a new fore-end for your #1-AB.

I know it seems like doing it the round-about way, but that's the only way it will work. BTW... If you ever have a bbl'd action that was sold thru Brownell's as a Barreled Action, Ruger will NOT fit factory wood to it.

Ruger's policy is that ANY firearm that is returned to the factory for whatever reason, will only be returned to the customer the way it left the factory originally. So if there is ANY aftermarket parts installed on it, they will remove them and replace with factory parts.

Hope this helps...

Edw

I guess that 1-B is man of fewer words than I...

Absolutely NOT true: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...2314/Re_Ruger_No_1_25_06_Rem#Post3322314

called ruger & was unlucky enough to get someone who was fairly unhelpful. (my usual luck when it comes to odd questions)

about all they would say is that they would not sell me just a forend, i have to send the gun in. sort of expected that.

she would not give me a price, says AFTER i send it in i will receive an estimate. nor did she know if they would fit a different one than the gun was originally equipped with. in short, she told me pretty much nothing.

All labor is quoted on an estimate. They cannot/will not give an estimate on labor without having the rifle in their possession.

Fitting of a different forearm is dependent on what they have available at the time your rifle is sent to Ruger's New Hampshire facility.

Your owner's manual states very plainly that Ruger will NOT sell a forearm without them fitting it for you. (See page 27.)

I don't know what answer you were seeking, but the Ruger representative told you exactly what they were supposed to tell you.

would have been pretty happy with at least a rough approximation. had she said "around $XXX for parts, plus an hour or two labor at $XX per hour, well, i can live with that. and, like most folks, i can live with a rough approximation, knowing the end result may be higher or lower.

pretty sure that having fit forearms before, and they could at least provide a rough guess...doubt i'm the only #1 owner that has had this service done.

however, as she has given no indication or rough estimates of any kind, i would have to pass at that offer. For all i know, i may go to the trouble of sending it in & then be rewarded with an estimate of $400...in which case i wasted my time & money, and their time as well.

as for what is available at their facility...i would also assume they would know what was available...yet they do not seem to be able to quote specifics on that either.

will send them an email & see if i receive a more specific response.

Bricktop,

Have you had them change any parts on a Ruger gun with replacements different from the original? Anyone else?

My experiences differ radically from your citation. In the mid 90s I tried a switch from a #1AH to an AB and was was told flatly that they would only restore to the original profile. Later, I also had a custom .338-06 built on a shot-out RSI donor and wanted new B profile wood for it. My smith who was Ruger trained told me I had to send in another 1B action sans wood and they would restock it for me but only to the original B standard profile. We did that and he swapped the new wood to the .338-06. Another serious collector/shooter I know needs the AH profile on all his #s bcasue of an old hand injury. He gets it done by Ruger but only with an authorizing letter from Bill himself.

If there has been a change in policy at Ruger I'd like to know of it from folks who have pulled it off. It would challenge my belief about leopards and their spots.
1B

What part of not making an estimation without having the gun in their possession don't you understand?

You have the gun here and they're in New Hampshire. How in the F*CK are they going to know when you'll get around to sending them your gun? Are they supposed to forecast based on you might send it and you might not?

Exactly what are you wanting Ruger to say differently via email that they haven't already told you? That makes NO-DAMNED-SENSE AT ALL.

Christ, you either want another forearm fitted or you don't. If you want one fitted, get off your ass and send the rifle. Plan on paying shipping both ways as a minimum, because you're going to have to pay that regardless. If you don't want to do that, then quit bitching, because you were never serious in the first place.

There has not been any change in any policy. A lot of Ruger being able to offer a wood swap is dependent on what their present production needs are and what they have on hand. They're not going to hold up shipment on 1Bs because one or two customers who sent in their RSIs or 1As want their rifles restocked. Then again, if you want a slightly different wood configuration and they happen to have a few surplus items, they may be able to work something out with you. That's always been the case.

Bricktop or Brickhead?

I was directly confronted with their policy on this twice! Don't tell me that it was always something different!

I am stil waiting to hear if anyone has successfully had Ruger swap parts from one model #1 to another.

1B

No, you never sent a rifle, did you? I'm "telling" you, you're wrong. You are apparently basing your beliefs on assumptions and inferences vice any actual experience. Try actually sending a rifle to Ruger.

Your "logic" seems to say because your next-door neighbor's cousin's best friend's wife's co-worker's husband knew someone who knew someone who heard Ruger wouldn't do such-and-such because they just wouldn't, it must therefore be a fact. Christ. Either send in a rifle and find out if you don't want to take my word or get off your ass and call Ruger's New Hampshire facility in the morning. Their number is (603) 865-2442. Pay attention to the phone prompts, too, smart guy. And make sure your questions are clear and coherent if you expect an answer as such.

Bricktop....at no point will they be receiving my firearm, as i have no intention of blindly sending it to them in the random hope they may possibly provide an estimate that is within a reasonable price range. Perhaps you are willing to roll the dice of chance when paying for services in the hope that you will be treated fairly...i do not gamble.

You will also note i said that they were unable to tell me whether they even have an alternate forend in stock, OR, if they do, whether or not they would even be willing to fit one....which makes NO-DAMNED-SENSE AT ALL, as you stated with such enthusiasm.

If they dont want to do it, i have zero problem with their policy...it is theirs to make, and i unequivocally agree with their freedom to set service terms/limitations. i do also agree it is reasonable to require factory fitting.

i find it UNreasonable for them to be unwilling to tell me in advance whether they even have any parts, or if they do, provide an approximation based on prior service histories.

So..if your suggestion you i send them a gun, potentially wasting the cost of round trip postage if in fact they may be unable (or unwilling) to do anything with it at all...i believe i'll pass. But thanks for the input.

Let me make this simple for your ignorant ass. If you choose to actually have Ruger perform the work, you will be obligated to pay the shipping to and from New Hampshire. You have already indicated a willingness to have that done, therefore paying to ship for an estimate isn't an unreasonable stretch.

Just how thick-headed ARE you? Do you honestly expect Ruger to just hold a forearm until your little self gets around to shipping your rifle? Their commitments are to the orders for new rifles and repairs of existing rifles. Your whims are way down their list of priorities.

You either want to have this done or you don't. Period.

at no point have i asked Ruger to hold anything. I simply asked if they are willing to perform a service as i have asked. My sole questions to Ruger are:

1) Do they have an alternate forend.
2) If so, are they willing to sell it.
3) If they are willing to sell it, at what approximate cost.

If they cannot answer those questions in advance, i wont waste my time or Ruger's. But i will post a response that Ruger sends via email.

And I have already enumerated the reasons why Ruger cannot and will not commit themselves to answering your questions. You're just too stupid to grasp those reasons.

Ruger also has a reputation for doing things gratis on occasion or at significantly reduced cost. But I guess you'll never know.

Bricktop,

The clock is still ticking on news from anyone here who has actually successfully had parts from one model switched by Ruger to parts from another model.

Your bluster is ringing hollower all the time.

1B

I'm satisfied that I know what I need to know. Maybe you should get off your ass, quit trying to bother me, and call Ruger's customer service yourself.

Bricktop,

In other words, you never did it? But pontificated on it?

1B

Well, whatever anyone may think, I did send Ruger a rifle last fall.

I had a 1-B in .338 win mag. The fore-end was used and abused beyond repair. I enclosed a Money Order for a new fore-end. The previous owner had had sights installed. I asked for a 1-S forend. In my cover letter, I also complained that the barrel was not properly rifled frow when it was new, and accuracy was dismal.

In due time, (about 60 days, IIRC) the rifle was returned to my dealer with a NEW barrel, Totally reblued, and NEW wood installed. (both fore-end and buttstock) An explanation was rendered to my dealer to the effect that it could ONLY be refurbished to original configuration.

While I really have no complaints about the service performed and the price paid, I really would have rather had the 1-S style fore-end. But as the man said: "You can't always get what you want!"

So there you have it: This is my experience. Yours to accept or reject as you so choose...

Edw

What is this? Another variation on a tree falling in a forest with no one around? If no one posts here -- by your "logic" -- then it didn't happen?

Jesus Christ. What I want to know is when you're going to grow some balls and call Ruger. Or maybe you have but didn't get the answer you wanted.

Why didn't you send the rifle yourself. It's been my experience -- with most anything -- that the more intermediaries involved means more errors in instructions.

And did you see the letter?

As I've previously posted, Ruger does not GUARANTEE that they can accommodate your request. It depends on availability.

Ruger's representatives very clearly stated to me in our telephone conversation that they could fit a different style forearm and that that would be dependent on other factors. See my comments at the link.

I did not send the rifle myself because I don't do that for personal reasons. And more importantly, by my dealer sending it, and with cover letter written on his business stationery, and enclosing a copy of his FFL - I got the new fore-end for dealer cost. The difference wasn't really all that much, but I takes my discounts where I can get them. (And no, I am not disclosing the amount I paid because it is unethical to give out that information.)

And no I did NOT see the letter, I saw no reason to question my friends word about the issue. Mostly because I really didn't expect to get it anyway, but I'm not above asking...

Edw

Addendum: Perhaps if the fore-end availability had been different, then mayhap I might have received a 1-S fore-end. But the fact is; I did not!

Uh-huh. Anyway, see my comments at the link provided. Ruger doesn't guarantee they can accommodate your request, but it's possible and their answer isn't a blanket "NO" if you ask. Unless you have 1B's winning personality.

I just got off the phone with a nice lady from Ruger customer service in New Hampshire..

I posed the Question to her this way-

If I send you a No1 B rifle that needs a new forearm IS IT POSSIBLE to have a No1 S forearm put on it?

Now, as a practial matter , the no1S and no1B barrel contours are the SAME.. so in reality it COULD be done..

But it won't be done by Ruger's service dept.

She told me EMPHATICALLY NO.

Ruger's customer service policy is that ALL Ruger No1 stocks are a FACTORY FITTED PART and are ONLY installed on an EXCHANGE basis. NO mixing of parts between models.

Not for freinds ,buddies or folks who "ask nicely". She told me it had NOTHING to do with "parts availability", either. You will only get the part that on that model as it came from the factory, no "crosbreeding" of parts.

She had been working there for 2O years now and she told me the policy has ALWAYS been that way as long as she had worked there..

And you're posting this because it's not in you to ask "nicely?"

Jim,

That is EXACTLY the understanding that I had.

In Ken Waters' premise on the .280 Rem "Pet Loads" he tells of taking his 1-B back to the factory and having them fit iron sights, barrel band, and a Alexander Henry fore-end. He states they even gave him the original fore-end back. I guess if one is a well-known gun writer, then perhaps one just might get special treatment.

I don't resent the fact that Mr. Waters' rec'd special treatment, but I do resent the fact that he wrote it up and it's obvious that he got something I can't. Had I never known about it, it wouldn't have bothered me a bit.

I'd wager that there's likely more than one member of the Ruger Collector's Assn, that has garnered a special favor or two. Perhaps El Numero Uno might have something to say about that...

Geemanycreepers. How long can this discussion go on?

Obviously, A lot longer than it should have...

Oh ,yes, I certainly asked her nicely... We had a nice chat about their parts replacment policy. She found it amazing the false rumors some folks spread on the 'net.

That lady told me the same thing that the head of Ruger customer service, Dick Bellieu, told me in 1992. Unless BILL RUGER HIMSELF approves it, NO mixing of parts is EVER done. Period.

He told me Bill Ruger always wanted his service dept used for LEGITMATE parts replacment- NOT so folks could create their own Limited editions or collectables by mixing parts.

In 1992 I was told the same thing when I had sent them a 1984 built m77V in .220 swift with a barrel that developed pitting in the muzzle. I sent it back to be rebarreled under warrantee .By 1992 they were out of Blued .220 Swift heavy barrels. They had fully transitioned into the m77 Mark ll rifles and were not making them anymore.

To fullfill their warrantee obligation and replace that barrel they HAD to come up with something. They only had 22-250 and 243 barrels on hand. Dick Bellieu had to CALL MR RUGER'S OFFICE in Prescott, AZ and get special permison to make that caliber change. Mr Bellieu told me that in 10 years of running the Customer service dept there, it was the ONLY time he had seen that happen.

That's your side.

Go buy a plank and knock one out. With a handsaw, some chisels, rasps, and gouges it should be short work. Also, keep an eye on Ebay. I've seen some fabricated but unfinished wood listed there.

Bricktop,

You do offer some good info and insights. This stubborn insistence on a clearly false assertion undermines that status.
You owe yourself more than that.

Oldman42...there's a new challenger on the horizon.

1B

Did you ever grow a pair of balls to call Ruger's service department or not?

I can say that I have only gotten but one favor, but that is the only one I ever asked for. When the 7mm STW came out, way back when, I asked for one and got it from the Factory. I paid for it. This was from Bill Ruger's Granddaughter. I had talked with her on occasion and was good friends with her late father. The Factory has my FFL on file due to receiving one of the Low Serial # Rugers for a friend.
I can comment on the Waters rifle, as I now own it. It was about 10 years after I first contacted Mr. Waters that he decided to sell it. He had just written it up in great detail in a Rifle magazine. I have both forearms. This was nearly 10 years ago.
Robert Chatfield-Taylor also had a similar treatment done to a 1B .280; it is serial# 21; it came back out of Newport as a 1S in 7x65R. The Writers and Friends could get some interesting work done!
Today, I really don't know what any regular Customer could get done! But, you guys have just about worn it out.

I've learned one valuable lesson from this painfully drawn out thread. That is, Bricktop is a complete a$$hole, and now joins a select few on my ignore list. My God man, give it a rest! Your description of your occupation is pretty telling of your attitude in general, and your opinion of others. "Babysitter of adults"....my my, aren't you impressed with yourself! Must be the smartest man on earth, and correct 100% of the time.

Oh yeah, Bricktop, I've also actually shipped a No.1 to Ruger, as it didn't shoot worth a hoot. I was told in no uncertain terms that it would be returned to me as issued. They did just that. It was returned with a new barrel, a new forearm, and a complete re-blue, along with the old forearm. It now shoots great. Also, it doesn't really require "balls" to send in a rifle, and I really am puzzled by your reference to said part of the male anatomy, in relation to the subject of simply shipping a rifle in for repair. What is up with that?

Your silence will indeed, be golden!

Jeff

We can't all be as sweet as you, can we?

Given your sunny disposition and "wit," I find it hard to believe that anyone would refuse the will of the likes of you. Might I recommend the Dale Carnegie course or something from Norman Vincent Peale? Perhaps some lithium would be in order as well.

Bricktop,

I have not and will not take your fairy tale to Ruger.

When I want a Ruger in a particular profile I find a good smith and have him redo a donor for me. I don't chase phantoms from the inet loosed by unreliable wingnut "sources".

1B

In other words, you're too much of a wuss to pick up the telephone and ask.

Now I understand your avatar.

1B

You're either afraid of Ruger's customer service, they have a restraining order against you calling, or you didn't get the answer you wanted. Which is it?

Just ignore him 1B. Members have changed his name from Bricktop to Dicktop. He constantly instigates arguments due to probably being a little scab lipped pole-smoker with issues.
If we were at a real campfire, I would be the 1st to stomp his teeth in.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

Do yourself a favor, drop your pants...stick one finger up your asp and dig deep...Now pull it out & smell of it...?? That smell on your finger is how you treat people on campfire.

I bet you have the tendency to be a dickhead onto others because you dis-like yourself and those inadequacies{issues} make you feel superior to others?

Too bad you got hate inside you because you seem to have some good knowledge on firearms { lot more than I will ever have}. I have seen your pic, your not beautiful. Try to be a better person & have more patience toward others Bricktop.

And I'll bet you like to discuss anal insertions because, well, you know. Not that there's anything wrong with that.