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I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 in 3-9x40 that has never been mounted. How does the Elite 4200 compare to the Conquest in 3-9x40?
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I have the 4200 2.5-10x40 and it's pretty darn good. However, I think my 3-9x40 Conquest is a tad bit better optically. And I prefer the Conquest's etched reticle.
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The elite 4200 is a good scope, however the eye relief is a bit shorter than on the Conquest.
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I have/had both also, and I agree that the Zeiss may be a touch better optically, and I like the etched reticle, but the 4200 is tough as all get out, it too has great glass, and the Rainguard really, really works. Eye relief on a 30-06 I had was not an issue with the 4200. They are both great.
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I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 in 3-9x40 that has never been mounted. How does the Elite 4200 compare to the Conquest in 3-9x40? The Buhnell is 1 ounce heavier, about 1/2" longer and has about 3/4" less eyerelief.. Optically, they are going to be very close. One other difference, will be the Eyepeice adjsutment. On the 4200s ,I believe they still use the American style, lockable unit. The Zeiss is the Euro fast focus. I prefer the lockable style on a serious hunting scope..
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as you mentioned, the zeiss has etched reticle which is nice.
as far as focusing, i have never been able to move either type of focusing mechanism without actually trying to do it.
Apparently the Euro fast focus design somehow makes it through the USMC's requisites for a sniper scope....maybe thats not a serious hunting scope?
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The focuser has never been an issue with me either, ever. I prefer the euro style myself.
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The Zeiss seems to be a little better optically, but not nuch.
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I've been hunting with one particular Conquest since 2001. The fast focus eyepiece has never once caused me any problems. I prefer it to the lockable type.
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I've been hunting with one particular Conquest since 2001. The fast focus eyepiece has never once caused me any problems. I prefer it to the lockable type. I guess to depends on what type of hunting one does. And, it also depends on howw fine the eypeice adjustment is in terms of movment vs focus. For trips to the range, target work or hunting from a stand, a fast focus eyepiece is OK with me. On a big game scope that will get slung up on your shoulder and put in scabards on horseback etc etc. There is no way I would have ANY part of my scope that could get moved around in use and then have to be counted on for a quick shot with no time to adjust the focus. Been there, done that. There is no reason for any scope not to at least have a lockable eypiece, even if it is a fast focus type, IMHO. Hawke has several models that do and they are probably the best of both worlds..
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I have three 4200s, three Zeiss, along with several other scopes. While I like the Zeiss a smidgen better, my son and two other friends [sll very experienced hunters and shooters] prefer the 4200s. I might add, eye relief has never been a problem, my three largest calibers are 9.3X62, 45-70 and .350 Rem Mag. In 60+ years of shooting I've never been touched by a scope.
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The question would be, is the Zeiss a justifiably better scope at $400 than the 4200 is at $300. From my personal opinion having recently compared both, optically no it isn't.
While the Zeiss may have an ever-so-slight edge, I don't see anywhere close to that price-percentage difference in optics or quality.
The 4200 is a L.O.W. of Japan made product. Most optics enthusiasts consider LOW products to be quality product.
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We all have different experiences. I'v hunted from the rockies to africa with both kinds of focus rings...never had any problem with the focus changing.
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I've been hunting with one particular Conquest since 2001. The fast focus eyepiece has never once caused me any problems. I prefer it to the lockable type. I guess to depends on what type of hunting one does. And, it also depends on howw fine the eypeice adjustment is in terms of movment vs focus. For trips to the range, target work or hunting from a stand, a fast focus eyepiece is OK with me. On a big game scope that will get slung up on your shoulder and put in scabards on horseback etc etc. There is no way I would have ANY part of my scope that could get moved around in use and then have to be counted on for a quick shot with no time to adjust the focus. Been there, done that. There is no reason for any scope not to at least have a lockable eypiece, even if it is a fast focus type, IMHO. Hawke has several models that do and they are probably the best of both worlds.. Seems you're in the minority on this one Jim. My FF eyepiece isn't gonna move unless I make a concentrated and deliberate effort to do so.
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The question would be, is the Zeiss a justifiably better scope at $400 than the 4200 is at $300. From my personal opinion having recently compared both, optically no it isn't.
While the Zeiss may have an ever-so-slight edge, I don't see anywhere close to that price-percentage difference in optics or quality.
The Zeiss is made in Hungary, The 4200 is a L.O.W. of Japan made product. Most optics enthusiasts consider LOW products to be quality product. Well, that is the problem.. The Bushnells are no longer a $300 scope brand new any more..more like $400 most places. And, It was my understanding the Conqests are made in the USA.. Is that not true? That is the first I have heard of Hungary with regards to the Conquests...
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Jim, the 3-9 4200 has a fast or euro type focus adjustment. You can get the 3-9 almost anywhere for 300 or less.
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The question would be, is the Zeiss a justifiably better scope at $400 than the 4200 is at $300. From my personal opinion having recently compared both, optically no it isn't.
While the Zeiss may have an ever-so-slight edge, I don't see anywhere close to that price-percentage difference in optics or quality.
The Zeiss is made in Hungary, The 4200 is a L.O.W. of Japan made product. Most optics enthusiasts consider LOW products to be quality product. Well, that is the problem.. The Bushnells are no longer a $300 scope brand new any more..more like $400 most places. And, It was my understanding the Conqests are made in the USA.. Is that not true? That is the first I have heard of Hungary.. Not a problem in my neck o'the woods. The O.P. was referring to 3x9-40's. Cabela's has the Zeiss on sale for $399.99 and the Bushnell 4200 @ $299.99 regular price. Just looked at them Monday. You are correct on the origin of assembly. I was thinking of the Zeiss Conquest binoculars which are made in Hungary.
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SWFA is selling them for $254.99 just for conversation.
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Is the Fast Focus eyepiece still coming up in serious discussions?
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Jim, the 3-9 4200 has a fast or euro type focus adjustment. You can get the 3-9 almost anywhere for 300 or less. Sorry about that guys.. You are right, I misread the orgional post and was thinking about the 2.5-10 x40 4200s which are an entirely different animal... The 3-9 x40 4200s certainly do have the fast focus eyepiece.. And are quite a bit lighter and shorter than the Ziess(and the 2.5-10 4200s). And are about 2/3 the price of a new Zeiss. For the $$ the Bushnell 3-9 4200 is hard to beat.
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