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No I don't believe ya would. Your talk shows you're cheap, sir.

and it most likely wouldn't be me needing the help. i work and i pay my bills and i do whatever i can to make smart and informed decisions.

but if something happened to me that i couldnt control i would do my best. i just got out of the hospital for an emergency surgery. can i afford it? no. but i am going to pay it back little but little. does it suck? yeah. but i owe it and no one else. it's no one else's job to pay it for me. i even had a family member offer to pay for it for me. i said no. why? because i believe what i say.

it's people who think their feelings change the facts that cause these problems.

thanks for being part of the problem. Obama will be glad to hear from you.

do i even need to defend myself to you? i don't know you and i don't care to.

i have lots of people on here who can vouch for me. who the hell are you to judge me based on your warped view of the world?

ya know. just to show you're off base and MAYBE you'll grow up...


i donate my time to the salvation army. i donate money to st. judes. i volunteer at local schools. i volunteer at the local little league. i meet my own responsilibities and i pay my bills and i do what i say i will do and i don't expect anything back.

why? because that's what i expect others to do too. be who they say they are and stand up for what's right.

i never said i don't think people should have insurance. i never said i didn't feel bad for the unforunate. i said ONCE AGAIN that government should not steal from me to give to you (or whomever) if you did not earn it. including insurance. and oil, gas, bluejeans, or pancakes.

damn.

You telling me what you're gonna do...like that makes it happen...LOL.

This bill will put all the health insurance companies out of buisness. It is designed to do that.

The financially responcible corporate managers will drop private insurance for their employees and pay the 8% fine for not providing health insurance.

The smart and healthy will drop their insurance coverage and pay the fine. They will purchase insurance only if they become sick and need it.

This will cause the insurance companies to drop out of the buisness. There will be no private health insurance left.

Obama has chosen as his senior medical advisor someone who wrote a book advocating limited care for the very young and the very old. These people are not as economically valuable to the government. This obscene philosophy is the nightmere we face in the future.

i went below my own standards on this post and i am removing it. my apologies to everyone.

i still stand on my point i made. whether he gets it or not.

i'm done. you have not made ONE point so far and can't even defend your own position. i'm not wasting my time.

Careful, your charity is showing.

It wouldn't matter if you were cheap, stealing from Bill Gates is no better or worse than stealing from a homeless person. Stealing is stealing.

But this isn't just simple stealing, this is armed plucking robbery. They have the force of law enforcement behind them, so it's ARMED robbery.

charlie is busy NOT making a point and calling me cheap, so apparently he has nothing of value to add.

crosshair, gotta agree with you on this.

i went back and re-read this. apparently it doesn't work the same in all states. if it really works the way i see it works in TX, that's wrong and should be illegal.

once again however, the fix cannot and should not be taking money from one to give to another.

Same guy... year after they discover they cant fund the thing anymore because they've broken the backs of the working class stiffs here in America, and the businesses have all moved overseas to get away from these overly burdensome rules... whats the answer going to be to balance the budget?

Rationing baby... hold on to your health boys cause thats the unavoidable end result of this shell scheme.

Same guy, now getting told he's number 100000 on the list because there are that many more viable citizens ahead of him in line.... still dying, but zero chance of getting a job to in the slightest way take care of himself...

Wanna call BS? Remember what they told us about abortions several decades ago and where it in fact evolved to today, pulling viable infants from the womb and knifing them in the head because partial-birth practices are more sanitary....

This is actually a brilliant stroke so far as dealing with the expenses of medically caring for the aging baby boomer population... promise to give them all insurance, then tell them they'll have to wait in line, then if 50% of them die 10 years earlier than previously thought... maybe we can afford this after all.... brings new meaning to the statement "worth more dead than alive" doesnt it? hmmmmmm

And Rome burns all the while....

You are correct about insurance. The difference is that Obamacare is not insurance. It is straight welfare.

Incidentally, I am one who had a major health insurance company drop my coverage of many years when I was two months into a major medical problem and facing a series of surgeries. That was Regency Blue Shield. They lied to me and were arrogant enough or stupid enough that they sent me documentation of their lies. The State Insurance Commissioner and a State Senator went to bat for me unsuccessfully. An attorney told me that with the documentation I had, in any other kind of case winning was a slam dunk. With the multi-billion dollar health insurance business, he told me to forget it and walk away. They ignore state legislatures. He told me that the best I could hope for was to have them repay several months of premiums.

Having said that, the vote today was a travesty that I opposed and am dismayed at what it portends for the country. I hope that we are all wrong in where this is heading. I wish I could invest in it, and buy a short position on whether it fulfills its claims, such as lowering the deficit. That would be a sure investment.

Last week I considered phoning a media dupe like Olberman when he was touting it and offer to bet him a major chunk of my retirement that Obmacare would NOT reduce the deficit. 100K even odds on whether it lowers the deficit, as measured by an independent accounting firm I could trust. I could use some more money for retirement and this is a sure thing bet. Maybe a bet with Pelosi or Obama himself.

I did not write it so have no record but over a week ago I told my wife that this health care would pass. The reason is that Obama wanted it more than his opposition did not want it. His will prevailed and it was fascinating to watch.

Pardon my rambles.

No. The obvious solution is the Doper Barry solution. You give him coverage and then put him in the hands of the bureaucracy so that he can die waiting in the chemo line with everyone else,even those who could afford treatment prior to Barrycare. Government controlled health care invariably leads to rationing and shortages. Did you not watch the swine flu fiascal? Did you not notice that the government decided who was and was not at risk?
By the way, any publicly funded hospital already has to treat whoever shows up regardless of their ability to pay.

Hey...sorry for the offense...ya took it more personal then intended.

Yes the group policies in TX do work that way. I was in business and my BIL owned an independent agency and I benefited from his efforts greatly. He told me at one time that I would need to layoff several of my best employees because of their age...they were approaching 60. So I knew early on the racked that the insurance industry really is.

As to taking money from one to give to another...this bill not ony does that but pases it on to the insurance industry. I see the government as working to siphon money from the populace and handing it over to corporate sector in this country.

Just so ya know my feelings.

agreed. i did take it personal. been a hell of a month, friend got diagnosed with cancer, i had emergency surgery, the healthcare thing has me wired, we all got pay cuts at work...etc.

not whining, just i am not always cranky lol

hell we're fine now, i just couldn't figure why you were attacking me on something i thought we agreed on.

i don't agree on that end though. by making pre-existing stuff covered, you select for the risk and the only people who sign up are the ones who will be making claims.

so the insurance companies will benefit at first from huge sign ups but then pay out way more and go bankrupt.

so then the govt becomes the sole provider, sort of a huge HMO.

that's the kind of control they want, i think.

Friend of mine is a small business owner. He has about 6 employees. He told me that he will have to lay all of them off if he has to buy Obama Insurance.
I wonder how many other small businessmen feel the same way?