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La. governor has asked the AG to join in the lawsuits, waiting to see what happens.
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Hopefully here in Oklahoma, the democratic AG, Drew Edmondson, will follow the other states and file suit or join.
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La. governor has asked the AG to join in the lawsuits, waiting to see what happens. They filed with and in FL this morning.
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For Virginia, and perhaps more states to follow, the real question will be what will the Feds attempt to do as more states nullify the law. You're putting the attention in the wrong direction. Any federal action in response to this, or as a decision to this, will be met with some response by and from the states. The question is what will the states do, and how far will they go. =========== It's where my attention has been for 3 weeks following Va's General Assembly passage of our law.Now you're following me! Have we been saying the same thing from opposite directions? You seem to be agreeing with the Supremacy Clause position above as the rule and your comments of yesterday seemed opposite,as well.
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For Virginia, and perhaps more states to follow, the real question will be what will the Feds attempt to do as more states nullify the law. You're putting the attention in the wrong direction. Any federal action in response to this, or as a decision to this, will be met with some response by and from the states. The question is what will the states do, and how far will they go. =========== It's where my attention has been for 3 weeks following Va's general Assembly passage of our law.Now you're following me! Have we been saying the same thing from opposite directions? You seem to be agreeing with the Supremacy Clause position above as the rule. Not necessarily. What I'm asking, is what happens if/when: 1) court(s) say "fed law trumps" under supremacy; and/or, 2) feds retaliate via purse-strings, rewrite, etc., should the court(s) side with the states. What will the states do then, and how far will they go? THAT is the question that I am asking, and really, the only one that I think matters.
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No state, including VA or TX where I live where 11 out of 10 people are Republicans, gets to decide that a federal law does not apply to their citizens. I am not mistaken about this. VA residents will soon be affected by this legislation, just like everyone else in every other state.
If states could do whatever they wanted, then the PRK would have outlawed ALL typeS of firearms long ago. Alabama and Mississippi would not allow black people to vote per their governors of the day. Little Rock tried to keep black people out of a high school.
Texas wants to secede now, will they be allowed to do this...no.
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Texas wants to secede now, will they be allowed to do this...no.
Actually, that is one option that has never been litigated. I stand by the position that states still retain that right, as no contract is irrevocable or unbreakable by any party to it.
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I think the answer may lie in the strength of the numbers. 2 states or 30.
Remember, as I know you do, there has been much SC dicta from the conservative 5 on the SC bench addressing the will of the people and/or public opinion. Today, we have 13 suits already filed with several solo filings occurring today as well. There are more to follow.
If the SC bucks the majority rule of the people and the filings of 35 or more states, then some states will continue to lead the charge...such as Virginia. Where you still have a home,you know!!
PS...there will be absolutely no war over this, if that's where you're going. That's chatter of the silly,IMO.
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VA residents will soon be affected by this legislation, just like everyone else in every other state.
How so?
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13 attorneys general sue over health care overhaul
By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer Brendan Farrington, Associated Press Writer � 4 mins ago
No Republicans in the U.S. House or Senate voted for the bill.
Didn't one Repungent vote for this? CAO ?
Feel the Bern in your wallet.
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I don't think Texas secession has been litigated, and I do not know the specifics. Some still believe TX can secede if it wanted (i.e. the governor).
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No state, including VA or TX where I live where 11 out of 10 people are Republicans, gets to decide that a federal law does not apply to their citizens. I am not mistaken about this.
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Don't make a bet on it. Va already has done just that.
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I just wish it were that easy to get rid of Texas.
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13 attorneys general sue over health care overhaul
By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer Brendan Farrington, Associated Press Writer � 4 mins ago
No Republicans in the U.S. House or Senate voted for the bill.
Didn't one Repungent vote for this? CAO ? No. He voted "yes" last fall, but "no" this time.
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No Bill...he caved and voted no.
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If the SC bucks the majority rule of the people and the filings of 35 or more states, then some states will continue to lead the charge...such as Virginia. Where you still have a home,you know!!
I'm only asking to what extent will they "lead that charge"; to what end.
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If the SC bucks the majority rule of the people and the filings of 35 or more states, then some states will continue to lead the charge...such as Virginia. Where you still have a home,you know!!
I'm only asking to what extent will they "lead that charge"; to what end. Must be rhetorical, bro, because no one here can answer for everyone else.... It's all fun and games till someone may get their eye put out....
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If the SC bucks the majority rule of the people and the filings of 35 or more states, then some states will continue to lead the charge...such as Virginia. Where you still have a home,you know!!
I'm only asking to what extent will they "lead that charge"; to what end. Must be rhetorical, bro, because no one here can answer for everyone else.... Yep. And, to me, that's the only answer left that matters; how far are we and the states willing to go to say "no"?
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No state, including VA or TX where I live where 11 out of 10 people are Republicans, gets to decide that a federal law does not apply to their citizens. I am not mistaken about this. VA residents will soon be affected by this legislation, just like everyone else in every other state.
Read the 10th. There hasn't been a reason for a state to exercise its rights, nor for the individual to demand its state to do so in relation to a bill such as this one. This one, hopefully, will come down to a simple interpretation of big government overstepping its Constitutional limitations. Big government might make some threats against a few states, but if 30 come along, the story will be quite different, I think.
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The strongest initial charge and attack should happen in November. Who knows what will happen if the SC rules it constitutional down the road.
The Feds can't buck the the aggregate will of 35 or more states who declare the law invalid as to it's citizens. It could likely be the Feds attempt to aggressively pursue enforcement against the mass majority of defiant states that raises the discourse a notch.
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