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I can't remember the last time I saw 45LC ammo in stock at my wholesaler. What is the DEAL with this?? I could see the ammo companies trying to catch up on more popular cartridges but SHEESH.....this is rediculous!! 
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I haven't been able to find any either ... and I'm afraid if I do, I won't be able to afford it.
I'm going to start looking for 45 Colt brass, a friend says he has the dies & equipment and will show me how to do it.
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I had to place a back order with Starline Brass. It took a month to get it but I should have a lifetime supply now... The woman I spoke with told me that they never expected demand to remain this high for this long. They basically have all their product sold before the production run happens... So Jeff, you haven't started to reload yet??? What were you thinking? 
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My local Gander Mountain has plenty in stock. The price is steep, $49.99 per box of 50, and the bullets are just plain Jane cast lead. Sheesh I'm glad I reload my own.
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45 Colt ammo is hard to find. I bought a box at Cabela's for $35.ish. I was at a gun show and saw several loaded by basement loaders in the same price range. I'm sure it is good ammo but 45 Colt on a white box stamped Leroy & Eugene's Ammo LLc doesn't give the warm and fuzzy feeling. I was at a small gun shop 2 weeks ago, they ordered a case and got 4 boxes. Some fella had sent his wife in to buy them. She only bought 2 when she heard $49.99 per box. They said these had been on order for a long time. I went by Cabela's on the way home and bought another one at $35.ish. Both the shop and Cabela's were the same winchester cowboy loads.
Anyone here load the 255 grain Keith type? If you load the Keith are you getting good results? I'm thinking 950 FPS out of my 25-5. Does this sound about right? I'm thinking white tail deer in reason, 50 yards, no 600 yard Elmer shots. :-)
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I can remember when poor folks who did not reload would not own a Weatherby because it cost a dollar a round to shoot.
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45 Colt ammo is hard to find. I bought a box at Cabela's for $35.ish. I was at a gun show and saw several loaded by basement loaders in the same price range. I'm sure it is good ammo but 45 Colt on a white box stamped Leroy & Eugene's Ammo LLc doesn't give the warm and fuzzy feeling. I was at a small gun shop 2 weeks ago, they ordered a case and got 4 boxes. Some fella had sent his wife in to buy them. She only bought 2 when she heard $49.99 per box. They said these had been on order for a long time. I went by Cabela's on the way home and bought another one at $35.ish. Both the shop and Cabela's were the same winchester cowboy loads.
Anyone here load the 255 grain Keith type? If you load the Keith are you getting good results? I'm thinking 950 FPS out of my 25-5. Does this sound about right? I'm thinking white tail deer in reason, 50 yards, no 600 yard Elmer shots. :-) That sounds top-end for that particular gun. Even 100 fps less should be capable of what you describe.
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I shoot a 255 grain water quenched cast lead bullet in my .45 Colt Mountain Gun at 1060. No leading and it seems to be a pleasant experience for both myself and the gun.
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45 Colt ammo is hard to find. I bought a box at Cabela's for $35.ish. I was at a gun show and saw several loaded by basement loaders in the same price range. I'm sure it is good ammo but 45 Colt on a white box stamped Leroy & Eugene's Ammo LLc doesn't give the warm and fuzzy feeling. I was at a small gun shop 2 weeks ago, they ordered a case and got 4 boxes. Some fella had sent his wife in to buy them. She only bought 2 when she heard $49.99 per box. They said these had been on order for a long time. I went by Cabela's on the way home and bought another one at $35.ish. Both the shop and Cabela's were the same winchester cowboy loads.
Anyone here load the 255 grain Keith type? If you load the Keith are you getting good results? I'm thinking 950 FPS out of my 25-5. Does this sound about right? I'm thinking white tail deer in reason, 50 yards, no 600 yard Elmer shots. :-) That sounds top-end for that particular gun. Even 100 fps less should be capable of what you describe. A cast bullet with the same powder charge will generate less pressure than will a jacketed bullet. With the being said here is a a load from the Hogdon web site 260 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H110 .451" 1.650" 23.5 1351 27,700 CUP 24.0 1374 30,100 CUP The 23.5 grain load is only 27,700 CUP's, the M-25 can handle this load easily http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
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I don't know why we have a tendency to treat N-frames like they are delicate flowers. Yes, the Rugers are tougher, but N-frames can take a lot more than perhaps we think.
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I've been on a 45 Colt spree here lately. I'm loading for my 4.6" Blackhawk & a relative's 'Judge'. I procured 100 45 Colt brass & 500 45 Schofield brass. I'm content to mostly use the schofield brass & save the 45 colt for higher end 'Ruger only' loads. My chrony shows 725 fps in the Blckhawk with 5.1 grns of Titegroup & a 250 grn Rainier plated bullet.
I'm in the mid/upper-mid range & may just stay there for now. I especially want to take it easy on the Judge. I have loaded a few higher end 45 colt loads to test in my Blackhawk. With my next order I plan to even do a few 45 shot capsuls, no reason only the judge gets to shoot the birdshot. Anyway, if your a 45 colt fan check out some 45 'Schofield' if you can ever find them. It's like a 38 in a 357 mag type of deal.
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I'd be careful about Hodgen's loading data. Some of it's loaded to 40,000 psi/cup which is way too hot.
Speer, who ran their loads for pressure, says for the stronger Rugers 20.0 grs. of H110 for their 260 gr. jacketed clocks about 1151 in a 7.5 inch Ruger.
I understand HP White labs very carefully loaded both the Ruger Supers and the Smith 29 to the point where they came apart. That happend at 80,000 psi. When they did that to a Ruger BH in .45 Colt, it came apart at 60,000 psi. So, it depends on which "N" frame Smith. E
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I'd be careful about Hodgen's loading data. Some of it's loaded to 40,000 psi/cup which is way too hot.
Speer, who ran their loads for pressure, says for the stronger Rugers 20.0 grs. of H110 for their 260 gr. jacketed clocks about 1151 in a 7.5 inch Ruger.
I understand HP White labs very carefully loaded both the Ruger Supers and the Smith 29 to the point where they came apart. That happend at 80,000 psi. When they did that to a Ruger BH in .45 Colt, it came apart at 60,000 psi. So, it depends on which "N" frame Smith. E That surprises me on the Smith, but that is cylinder strength. I think that 50% loads(40,000) would unbuild a Smith pretty quick. I had heard 60,000 on the Ruger Blackhawk. Now I have to look it up, check my memory........I thought 80,000 was the 44Mag Blackhawk. Though it could be both...............
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I'd be careful about Hodgen's loading data. Some of it's loaded to 40,000 psi/cup which is way too hot.
Which one is it, CUP or PSI??
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Don't recall. It's on their website.
My point is that the pressures generated can vary easily with changes in components. E
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Don't recall. It's on their website.
My point is that the pressures generated can vary easily with changes in components. E I only ask as these two units of measure are not comparable.
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Don't recall. It's on their website.
My point is that the pressures generated can vary easily with changes in components. E I only ask as these two units of measure are not comparable. +1 Not on any sliding scale or ratio. Trying to is like going to the doctor for VD and he talls you to take Penicillin. You ask how much, and he says" Take some, for a while....." Give you an uncomfortable feeling.
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Thanks for the load data gentlemen. It is appreciated. Years ago I loaded some really stout max loads for a Ruger Blackhawk that I felt would be too hot for the 25-5. Now I am looking for the "right" amount of power that will get the job done and still be fun to shoot. Thanks again.
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People shoot factory ammo in the 45 Colt? Huh....
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Model70hunter, this link will take you to a very detailed article by John Linebaugh concerning loading and shooting the S&W 25-5 45 Colt revolver. I think he does an excellent job of balancing power with longevity of the S&W. I followed his loading advice when I owned a 25-5. http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=12PS My favorite load in both the 25-5 and in several Blackhawks is the old tried and true load of 18.5 grains of 2400, standard primer (usually a Win WLP), any major brand of case (R-P, W-W, FED, Frontier, *-*) and a 255 grain LSWC.
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