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What's Winchester's number one elk stopper in .30/06?
Supreme Elite XP3, Supreme AccuBond CT, Supreme E-Tip, Super-X Power-Point..............which is the best in any elk hunting scenario (close (30-40 yards)or far shot (under 250-300 yards), frontal, broadside or raking shot)?
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I think the XP3 and the E-tip would be your best bet. But im also a fan of non lead core bullets. all i shoot is TTSX and E-tips. I wish they would come out with the XP3 bullet to reload. If you ended up going with the accubond, you wont be sorry you did. the accubond will still give you very good results. I deffinatly wouldnt go with the Power Point. I think they suck. If you ended up shooting a bull or cow in the shoulder, you will be wishing you had something other than the powerpoint. You want something that will punch through that shoulder and keep going. With the power point it would be kinda IFFY. any of those three bullets will do you perfectly good for the ranges your shooting. Just dont use a cheap bullet. Youll be thank full if you hit that shoulder bone. They are EXTREMELY hard bone!!!!!
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the "best" bullet means nothing unless it shoots accurately out of your rifle. i suggest you buy a box of 180gr xp3 and a box of 180gr accubond (maybe a box of the 180gr e-tip too). shoot a few groups and see what your rifle likes - then hunt with that load.
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the "best" bullet means nothing unless it shoots accurately out of your rifle. i suggest you buy a box of 180gr xp3 and a box of 180gr accubond (maybe a box of the 180gr e-tip too). shoot a few groups and see what your rifle likes - then hunt with that load. Hi Hotsoup, Within reason, I'm happy for accuracy to play second fiddle to performance. I guess it's pointless having a projectile that is capable of MOA or SUB-MOA performance if it cannot penetrate beyond seriously tough body areas/regions such as the shoulder etc. - I'm trying to avoid any frustration in the field by doing some home work in advance.
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I think the XP3 and the E-tip would be your best bet. But im also a fan of non lead core bullets. all i shoot is TTSX and E-tips. I wish they would come out with the XP3 bullet to reload. If you ended up going with the accubond, you wont be sorry you did. the accubond will still give you very good results. I deffinatly wouldnt go with the Power Point. I think they suck. If you ended up shooting a bull or cow in the shoulder, you will be wishing you had something other than the powerpoint. You want something that will punch through that shoulder and keep going. With the power point it would be kinda IFFY. any of those three bullets will do you perfectly good for the ranges your shooting. Just dont use a cheap bullet. Youll be thank full if you hit that shoulder bone. They are EXTREMELY hard bone!!!!! Idahostalker, Thanks for the info! Have you been happy with the performance of the E-Tip? Does the E-Tip penetrate anywhere as deeply as the TTSX?
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From past performance of he Winchester Supreme ammo-Accubonds on big game here in Aberta from 300WM / 300WSM and 270WSM - the Accubonds are a great choice. I reload Accubonds for all my calibers but a few friends still use factory and their choice is the WS Accubonds. Next pick wouldbe either the XP3's or the E-tips. All three are a great choice. Next would be Federal TTSX's.
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I'd run a 180g Power Point with no hesitation, provided they shoot well in your rifle.
Was shooting some of the Win 180g Power Points yesterday to zero in a new-to-me Ruger .30-06. They worked fine on paper and would work fine on elk. More expensive is not necessarily better, but I do tend to run fancier bullets in my handloads.
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I would say the 180 grain bullet weight for starters and then find out what bullet shoots the most accurate out of your rifle as was mentioned prior by other forum members.
I reload my own so really don't know the specifics of factory ammo one brand to another etc. However, I do like Nosler Partition bullets in the Accubond, Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets and Swift A Frame bullets a bunch for big game.
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180gr XP3 - One of, if not the best bullet available.
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I think the XP3 and the E-tip would be your best bet. But im also a fan of non lead core bullets. all i shoot is TTSX and E-tips. I wish they would come out with the XP3 bullet to reload. If you ended up going with the accubond, you wont be sorry you did. the accubond will still give you very good results. I deffinatly wouldnt go with the Power Point. I think they suck. If you ended up shooting a bull or cow in the shoulder, you will be wishing you had something other than the powerpoint. You want something that will punch through that shoulder and keep going. With the power point it would be kinda IFFY. any of those three bullets will do you perfectly good for the ranges your shooting. Just dont use a cheap bullet. Youll be thank full if you hit that shoulder bone. They are EXTREMELY hard bone!!!!! Idahostalker, Thanks for the info! Have you been happy with the performance of the E-Tip? Does the E-Tip penetrate anywhere as deeply as the TTSX? Yes I have been very happy with the performance of the E-tip. I cant really compare penetration because I havent been able to recover a TTSX or an E-tip, but trust me, they will Penetrate all you want! I run them in my 270 and have shot bear and deer with them and they deffinatly dont go far if anywhere at all! I havent personally shot any elk with them but a couple people i have guided elk for in colorado have used them and they have worked great. The Main bullet use that i have guided are partitions, accubond, and ttsx and only a couple have brought E-tips. any of the following will work really good. just shoot wich ever one shoots the best and go slay somethin. Have fun while doin it!
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E-tips are devastating on deer. I shot mine last year with a factory 300wsm 180 e-tip. He was facing toward me at a bit of an angle. I wasn't in the mood to track post shot in the dark - had been putting in lots of miles elk hunting and this night we took stand 200 yards from the road looking for deer. I aimed high in the shoulder to get the spine, and I did. When I was butchering him at home, that bullet had destroyed several vertebrae and the shock from the bullet expanding left something that resembled hamburger where much of the backstrap used to be. Didn't recover the bullet, as it exited after going lengthwise through the deer's spine. I'll be using them with confidence this fall on elk - in a handload.
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Power Points have worked well for me.
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E-tips are devastating on deer. I shot mine last year with a factory 300wsm 180 e-tip. He was facing toward me at a bit of an angle. I wasn't in the mood to track post shot in the dark - had been putting in lots of miles elk hunting and this night we took stand 200 yards from the road looking for deer. I aimed high in the shoulder to get the spine, and I did. When I was butchering him at home, that bullet had destroyed several vertebrae and the shock from the bullet expanding left something that resembled hamburger where much of the backstrap used to be. Didn't recover the bullet, as it exited after going lengthwise through the deer's spine. I'll be using them with confidence this fall on elk - in a handload.
Hi FNG, I can see why you like them, that is really good performance. Plenty of up-front damage and complete penetration - I've got to try them!
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What's Winchester's number one elk stopper in .30/06?
Supreme Elite XP3, Supreme AccuBond CT, Supreme E-Tip, Super-X Power-Point..............which is the best in any elk hunting scenario (close (30-40 yards)or far shot (under 250-300 yards), frontal, broadside or raking shot)?
All the above bullets are good.Myself I like the E Tip but the Power Point would serve just as well.Under-rated bullet that Power Point.imo
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I'd say to cover everything that could go wrong, Accubond, E-Tip, and XP3 in no particular order, one thing to keep in mind though is if you reload you can buy E-Tips and Accubonds as component bullets. I don't recommend Power Points for Elk, they'll work fine on deer but I feel they expand too much and too fast for Elk to penetrate properly. I'm sure some will disagree but I always err on the side of caution with Elk.
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Moose 70yds 300 Win Mag 180 Power Point.Picture Perfect. ![[Linked Image]](http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q319/biff_013/Picture005.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q319/biff_013/Picture004.jpg)
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Just an idle thought....how did we break and penetrate shoulders before we had mono bullets?
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Just an idle thought....how did we break and penetrate shoulders before we had mono bullets? Inconsistently, before the premiums
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Just an idle thought....how did we break and penetrate shoulders before we had mono bullets? No kidding. Remember moose hunting in my early teens with Federal Classic 180gr Hi Shok soft points for the 30-06.Also remember myself thinkin pretty good game getting ammo.Yup times have a changed.
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