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I'd prefer a high-riding OWB holster with a good bit of cant.
I'm also looking for some good plinking and carry ammo.
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22lb recoil spring to handle the extra oomph?
Thanks for the suggestions and links!
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Yes. The full house heavy stuff slams the frame pretty hard, and chucks the brass into the next county. Some folks swap springs when going between weaker factory ammo and the big stuff. Mine runs fine with the 22 for everything, and I'm lazy, so I use it for everything.
There are two controversies hidden in my advice.
The first is using a non-factory part at all (the spring.) Shoot it with stock if you want, and make your own decision. It's a glock; it can take it either way.
The second is using hardcast lead in a glock factory barrel. Google up on that, make your own decision. Both double tap and BB will tell you they test with factory barrels, and its soft lead with gas checks that's the real issue. I still don't shoot thousands of rounds of even the hardcast without cleaning, but there hasn't been significant leading of any kind with the hardcast stuff.
Lots of 10mm nuts over at glocktalk.com, in the 10 Ring forum.
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Oh, and some folks have been having issues with their 20's factory barrels not stabilizing the 220 and 230gr hardcast bullets. (Some, not all.) Shoot a couple at 25 yards, and if it's keyholing, drop down to 200gr or grab an aftermarket barrel. The Lone Wolf barrels seem to be pretty popular and a decent value: https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=82... if you decide you want one. You can also grab a .40 barrel for cheaper practice, if you shoot enough and don't reload.
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If ever you had a reason to get into handloading (if you don't already) then getting a 10mm is it. All my "plinking" is done with handloads. In fact, everything other than SD loads are handloaded.
I've also got the LW barrels in 10mm (it's just nicer to the brass and makes shooting lead a non-issue) as well as a .40 barrel. Cheaper factory and cheaper still handloaded. If you really want to practice a lot I got the Advantage Arms .22 conversion (check to be certain the SF is compatible, mines the standard though my G29 is an SF) which is a hoot to shoot, more accurate than I would have guessed and allows you to use the exact same grip/trigger/sight picture and do it cheaper even than handloading. (it is quite a bit lighter though)
I like the 10. For OWB I've got the Glock sport d12 referenced earlier and for IWB a Crossbreed Supertuck, though it's usually the 29 doing that.
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Thanks for all the help/tips. I do reload, just haven't reloaded for pistol cartridges yet. I guess it's time to start doing so.
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Clark, Congrats on your new Glock. I have a 29SF and I really like it. I haven't tried DoubleTap ammo myself;DT has been having some issues with velocities(well below claimed figures), quality control, and some other stuff-but I think they may get it sorted out here soon? I have been pretty happy with the Winchester 175gr Silvertip for a carry load-it clocks 1125 out of my 29 and if I recall, ran a touch over 1200 from my old G20. I would certainly second the other posters opinion that you should take up reloading, as 10mm ammo is obscenely expensive!
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Clark, Congrats on your new Glock. I have a 29SF and I really like it. I haven't tried DoubleTap ammo myself;DT has been having some issues with velocities(well below claimed figures), quality control, and some other stuff-but I think they may get it sorted out here soon? I have been pretty happy with the Winchester 175gr Silvertip for a carry load-it clocks 1125 out of my 29 and if I recall, ran a touch over 1200 from my old G20. I would certainly second the other posters opinion that you should take up reloading, as 10mm ammo is obscenely expensive! I have a small stash of Georgia Arms 180 gr Gold Dot/ new starline brass, when purchased three years ago was $20.25 per 50. It's now $25 per 50, but usually out of stock. I order a couple of boxes of DT 200 gr XTP's a year at close to $1 per round. Enough! I am breaking out the old rock chucker getting some dies, brass tumbler, and going back to rolling my own. Below is a good link from 03 listing some loads from the DT founder (P1, ~ post 19). http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=198520
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I have a small stash of Georgia Arms 180 gr Gold Dot/ new starline brass, when purchased three years ago was $20.25 per 50. It's now $25 per 50, but usually out of stock. I order a couple of boxes of DT 200 gr XTP's a year at close to $1 per round. Enough! I am breaking out the old rock chucker getting some dies, brass tumbler, and going back to rolling my own. Below is a good link from 03 listing some loads from the DT founder (P1, ~ post 19). http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=198520 I always forget about Georgia Arms. 25 bucks per 50 sounds pretty darn good, especially for Gold Dots and Starline brass!-that may just be well worth being put on a waiting list for. I may still try some DT, even with all the so-so stuff I have been hearing(on Glock Talk, mostly) and see for myself if it is a viable option.
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Serpa makes a very nice holster that you can configure to your liking. That's what my 20C rides in. O
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i wonder what double tap is doing to get that kind of velocity out of the 200 grain wfn and the 220 grain?
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If they really are getting that kind of velocity, they are loading it too hot. See the above post about needing a heavier spring and their ammo really tossing the brass "all over the place." Not a good idea with the 10. It goes critical very quickly. Glock guns are often made w/o much cartriage case head support..... BTW, the 10mm, at reasonable load levels can be pretty impressive. With Double Tap's 200 gr. lead wide flat point over 9.5 grs. of AA#7, I put one through three 2.5 gal water jugs stacked ene to end. That's about three feet. While my 4 inch .44 Mag, with a 240 gr. XTP, over 20 grs. of 2400 only did two of them. That and alot less recoil makes the 10 a very worthwhile round to have in a good pistol. E
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If they really are getting that kind of velocity, they are loading it too hot. See the above post about needing a heavier spring and their ammo really tossing the brass "all over the place." Not a good idea with the 10. It goes critical very quickly. Glock guns are often made w/o much cartriage case head support..... BTW, the 10mm, at reasonable load levels can be pretty impressive. With Double Tap's 200 gr. lead wide flat point over 9.5 grs. of AA#7, I put one through three 2.5 gal water jugs stacked ene to end. That's about three feet. While my 4 inch .44 Mag, with a 240 gr. XTP, over 20 grs. of 2400 only did two of them. That and alot less recoil makes the 10 a very worthwhile round to have in a good pistol. E I bought a glock 20 some time ago and have been playing with it. A set of see in the dark high viz sights, and a kit from wolfe/22lb mainspring and steel guide rod. i have loaded 155, 180 and some 200 grainers spread between jacketed and lead. Also put a KKM barrel on it, and have a six inch kkm barrel too. I have gotten pretty good velocities particularly with the six inch barrel, but not like what doubletap is doing. Maybe it's just me, but haven't seen any reputable loading data for that either. I think a lot of the factory fodder ammo is rather enemic for it, but in it's original concept acheived with reloads it is pretty impressive. I call it my light .41magnum. I did copy what is suppose to be his mixture this morning on loading some of these rounds but haven't checked them as to if I would want to do them. I am comfortable with a 200grainer at about 1150fps.
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Clark, I have two of those Glock model 20's and one model 29 in sub-compact 10mm. I use a Don Hume all leather holster, model #41 for the model 20 standard length barrel.
There is no cheap plinking ammo for a 10mm that I know of unless you reload like I do. I use 165 grain jacketed bullets in my 10mm and that will give you plenty of penetration @ 1300fps.
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Agreed. The 10mm makes reloading a necessity, pretty much.
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Looking for a Mod 20 SF now, myself But my local shop is having a hard time locating one Anyone else have this issue?
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CCI has, or had, (?) a Blazer, aluminum cased, 200 gr. FMJ load that was a pretty good plinker. Then there is, or was, (?) the Remington UMC 180 gr. stuff. Don't know if they are still out there. I have found that there are some lead bullets, say 140 grs. and even some wadcutter lead bullets that do pretty well as plinkers. I even found I could get them to shoot the same zero as my full power stuff. E
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Looking for a Mod 20 SF now, myself But my local shop is having a hard time locating one Anyone else have this issue? I have heard that is pretty typical with Glock 10mm offerings in most parts of the country. However, when I ordered my G29SF a few months ago, I had it within 10 days. My advice would be to call Ed's Public Safety in Georgia, they have a good reputation as far as getting hard to find Glocks.
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