Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Will Ruger mfg. a SS Fluted Flat Top in 41 Mag?

Yes, Forty ONE. Would give the FA97 a lower cost option.

A 5.5" and a 4 5/8 would be of interest and a Bisley grip might nice as well.

This is a special run Blackhawk .41 Mag from 2003; it was made up by Ruger for Accusport. A fluted cylinder and a flat-top would give it a different look, but the function would be identical. This is my favorite Blackhawk (only way to get stainless from Ruger in a .41 MAG and to have the Bisley gripframe); I have always seen it as an affordable version of the FA.

I knew about that model, nice, how much heavier is the UNFLUTED cylinder? Curious.

I bet an Alum. frame would cut down some, but doubt that will be mfg.

I don't know the weight difference between the two types of cylinders. I don't think Ruger has ever offered an aluminum Bisley grip and I know they haven't offered a raw aluminum finish grip.

This might be a fairly close apples to apples comparision. I have a 5 1/2" Bisley BH .45 Colt with unfluted cylinder and also a 5 1/2" Bisley Flat top .44 Special with a fluted cylinder.

The .45 weighs 2 lbs 12 oz, or 44 oz.

The .44 Spl weight 2 lbs 9 oz or 41 ounces.

My old scale might be off an ounce or so as those numbers seem a tad light, but the weight comparison between the two models would be valid.

Hope that helps some.

Thanks guys. Last question, are 44 special flat tops built on a 357 frame? If so, that would be lighter than a comparable gun built on a say 41/44mag/45 frame correct?

Thanks.

I bought one of the .41 Magnum Flat Tops with the 4 5/8" barrel...just a great gun but shortly thereafter bought one of the 4.25" FAs guns with a round butt... Both shoot great but there is no comparison when it comes to lockup and quality control.

That being said a nice stainless 4 5/8" Flat Top would be a low cost alternative to paying $2K for a Model 97...

Bob

Last two posts reminded me that Ruger did make some .41 Magnums on the .44 Magnum Anniversary Flat top frame which is basically the same frame as the �regular� Blackhawks (whew, getting� to be a lot of variations to keep track of!) I was thinking they�d never make one on a �flat top� frame as I was thinking of the mid-size frame these .44 Specials are built on.

In the case of the .41 Magnum flat top I suspect the weight of a stainless Bisley model would be almost exactly what I reported for my .45 Colt as just about everything except the holes would be the same size. There isn�t all that much more metal in a .41 hole so figure maybe another ounce or ounce and half heavier for a .41 Magnum unfluted model, than take away that ounce if they put fluting in the cylinder.

Call Lipseys or Davidsons and let�em know your wants. IIRC one of them was who got Ruger to make some .41�s on that .44 Flat top in the first place. They�ve sure been giving us .44 Special shooters some nice candy lately.

Great, thanks.

William's Shooters Supply is the wholesaler who had Ruger make up the .41 Magnum Flat Tops. When I called to get some information about them the CS guy I spoke with was also a .41 Looney...pardon me "fan" and I asked him to drop the word about making a stainless version.

I also suggested a run of stainless Marlin 1894SS in .41...wouldn't that be a pair....

Bob

ps..call, it can't hurt.

This is my blue...

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4180612/1

Nice.

Bob, any thoughts on chopping a 657 6" to 4.5 or 5.0?

RJM: "I also suggested a run of stainless Marlin 1894SS in .41...wouldn't that be a pair...."

I would love to have one of those. I have one of the M1894FG that Marlin made in 2003 and it shoots two of the same handloads that my Ruger BH in the picture above likes. Personally, I like the .41 MAG even more than I like the .45 COLT (and that's saying something!)

No doubt, that would be a 'must have' pair for 41 fans.

Several years ago I found a 64 vintage 57 at a local shop that had a badly rusted end of the barrel. It is at JoJo Gunsmithing in Southington, Ct. right now having the barrel cut to 5". I was hoping that this would be a "one of a kind" Model 57 but Doc44 over on the S&W Forums has one of the only two original Model 57 5" guns ever made...it is beautiful. Looks just like the 5" 29s made back in the early 60s.

So nothing wrong with having the barrel cut to 4.5 or 5" but try and find yourself a master smith who can contour and radius the end of the barrel to make it look like it came from the factory....otherwise you won't be happy. My best friend who just died in February had one of the first edition 629s that was P&R. He had a smith who was a master rifle builder cut the barrel on his gun from 6 to 5" and it was just a squared off cut that just never looked right.

.41 carbines are nice....



...shoot good too...



Would love to have a 24" octagon or a 18.5-20" stainless with a laminated stock. The 16.5" LTD is neat but doen't have the balance of the 20" barrel.

Bob

Bob, I shot my 657s today, one a CH 6.5, the other a 6", both pre-lock, and a OMBH 4 5/8 that I sold to my brother and he is giving me the chance to buy it back.

I will tell you the little BH was tearing up some 2 liter water filled bottles! 210 XTP over 20.5 H110, they are spitting out pretty fast and devastating when they hit. I want for NO more power in that Aluminum frame Ruger, it's a hammer.

I can imagine a 41 Lever would be all the rifle needed in woods for any deer or blackie, let alone an elk or caribou within 100yds or so.

Yeah, I'd likely have Clark's Guns here do it if I had it cut. Sure liked the sights I saw on a 627 once, gold bead, v notch. Thinking of taking the 2x's off my Smith's, just seems to slow me WAY down on getting the sight pic I want, the added weight on top.

What we need is a Marlin (w/o Rem stamp) in 41, SS/black walnut. I'd snap one up in a hurry, but may have to 'settle' for a 357. A 158 at 2k+ is closer to 30/30 performance.

Oh come on....You can bump that H110 load up to 23-24 grains... That is what I am running and the empties even drop right out of a S&W. Found that the best, most consistent and highest velocity loads with H110 is when the bullet base is seated right on top of the powder. I just take a dowel and find that spot, and every bullet is different, when the bullet is crimped the base of the bullet seats on top of the powder. With most of the 210 JHPs it is right in the 23-24 grain range. The 255 CPBC WFNGC is 22.00 grains...the 250 is only 20 grains. The 170 Sierra is 26-27.0. Speer has a new 200 grain JHP that I have not been able to get any of yet... Sure wish they would bring back the the original 200 and 220 JSWC Hp and SP...great bullets.

That three shot group with the .41 CCL was sitting at 50 yards using the 22.0 H110 and the CP255. Seems every time I shot a three shot group at 50 with that load it does exactly the same...and that IS MicroGroove rifling... What I have found or rather haven't found yet is a target velocity load that will out shoot full loads...cast or jacketed. More cast bullet experiments are coming...

To put the gold bead on your 657, when the barrel is milled just have a Weigand Combat Interchangeable Front Sight System base put on...can be had from Brownells. Then you can use any blade that will go on the S&W Classic series. SDM has gold beads...I have them on some of my guns...

The only reason I would like a stainless Marlin to have the same laminated stock as the LTD is that the laminated stock repels water better...and besides one can always buy a walnut stock from Marlin...

Bob

The weight loss from a few flutes would be miniscule. If that very small amount of weight is an issue, perhaps a Single Six is a better choice.

I love lam stocks, look good and functional, the epoxy adds wt. but that gun is not hefty anyways. Man, if I loaded hotter, I might think I had a 44 Mag in hand! LOL. SDM??

73, if Ruger made a GP100 5 shot in 41 mag in 4" I'd be happy for sure. I do know there was a good bit of diff. between the 41 OMBH and a SS 44 New Model w/fluted, BOTH 4 5/8s. Frame on OM was Al. where new was SS. Both frame and cylinder added up I am sure. It affected the balance. Perhaps the NON FLUTED works better on a 5.5" for balance.

If a Single Six was in 41, it would be a handful in a magnum when firing. The Single Six in 327 I bet would be a sweet small game/varmint gun, surely a great combo. FYI, I do know that the magnum would not be a safe option in the Single Six platform.

Bob, clarify Ballard vs. Micro-G and what's best for cast, etc. if you don't mind.

Was reading, the 41 has a 1-20 twist, the 44s a 1-38, indicating better heavy bullet results w/41s.