Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Retired F.B.I agent in Akron: "Oswald did not do it."

The guy who wrote the scene and director know what would have happened...

Assasination is murder. But not every murder is an assasination.

That's the question then isn't it - why not?

....................A 1.5" chunk of bone out of a deer`s sternum upon entry, may not equate exactly same compared with a human skull. Using a round nosed bullet on that deer or pointed spitzer?

If there was no large rear wound of exit from the rear of the skull, then I`d agree with you. The liklihood of there being only a lone shooter from the rear would then be very high.

I think he means when justified it's not murder, such as if the attempts on Hitler's life were successful, that would be an assassination, but not a murder.

Type of motive, level of planning, care of preparation, drive and skill of execution, realm of impact and consequenses.

That was kind of my point. A deer sternumn is a hell of a lot thicker than human skull, and does not have the "fault lines" or seams in it like a human skull does. I can see a round nosed bullet punching a hole like that in skull very easily, especially inside a hundred yards. Also, if you shoot a deer in the head, and take the time to skin it, not only will you see a hell of mess, but big chunks of skull all over the place. The only thing that holds it all together is scalp and hair. Deer hide is a lot thicker as well, plus a deer head doesn't have over a liter of blood and fluid in it, not to mention a big chunk of jello in the middle like we have. A bullet that size does not punch a clean hole through bone, ever.

R.

That is presicely false.

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transitive verb

Definition:

1. murder somebody: to kill somebody, especially a political leader or other public figure, by a sudden violent attack


2. ruin something: to harm or destroy something such as somebody's reputation maliciously or treacherously

Assassination is murder of an official for political reasons. Every assassination is murder, but not everyone murdered is a public official or for the purposes of political gain.

Explain then, how an occipital skull bone fragment which is later found on the grass some 41 feet to the left rear of the fatal impact point. By an entrance wound fired from the rear??? An entrance wound to the skull is going to cause a fragment of occipital bone to fly some 41 feet to the rear?..........Ain`t buying that one!!!
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Even you keep trying to enlarge the distance.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/harper.htm

Shoot a large glass jar full of water with a 6.5mm bullet at 100 yards. You're going to find glass everywhere, including the direction the bullet came from.

R.

You all need to relax and chill out. The Mothman will let you in on a little secret. The Mothman and ol' Harv did it together. He took the first two shots, and The Mothman took the last one. We were supposed to meet Cheney for drinks after, but Harv got sloppy. Now you know!

Never did get any "bites" on this .Fact is that the side nearest the camera has a big portion of the rib cage blown away and you can see a small hole thru the far side rib cage . I would assume - like most of you here , I'm betting that the small one on the far side is the entrance wound and the blown away part is the exit .

Such was not the case . The 300 gr. HP from my 45 70 made a hell of a mess at entrance and 157 gr. of it continued on thru the hog and stopped under the skin on the far side .

Granted that Oswald's bullets were of a different type entirely , but the picture proves what most of us already know :

Bullets ALWAYS follow the laws of physics , but sometimes we consider the wrong law in making assumptions .

What prompted my remark is this : " My " company had a really good track record defending our airplanes in product liability and wrongful death lawsuits , due primarily to the fact that we had a good , experienced law firm representing us and we never went "cheap".

Then we went up against an old country lawyer down in Miss . We had a team of high priced expert witnesses who made a living testifying about Pratt and Whitney turbine engines .The Miss. lawyer had one expert witness who held a high school diploma and a grudge against his former employer , Pratt and Whitney .

Two fractured upper vertabrae are worth 5 million bucks in Mississippi ! The jury believed the good ol' boy .

The " victim" took his money , bought his old wrecked plane from his ins. co. , had it repaired and went right back to flying .

But , you're right . I have no more business entering lawyer discussions than you have picking football games !

..............You`re right. Beliefs now, are pretty much set in stone. But it is interesting, even after all this time and after my several trips to Dealey Plaza.

What I`ve done after googling many times..."zapruder film slow motion"...causes me to really think about the two head shot scenario promoted by Robert Grodin as I have met and talked with him at Dealey during one visit. He suggested that I google this and break it down into to two seperate parts.

When I double click my mouse very very quickly, I can isolate and freeze fractions of each frame. Nearly out of frame 311 going into frame 312 or by mid 312, (freezing there at just the right spot), there is clearly a disruption of hair near the top/rear portion of the president`s skull. Double click the mouse very fast again or maybe once more (freezing there at the right spot), you`ll see faint brain matter in front of Jackie from that same bullet exiting the right temple area. That, is the 1st head shot from the rear, which in frame 313 turns into the violent head explosion. However, that alone does not and cannot account for a large rear exit wound as seen at Parkland or at Bethesda.

To account for such a large rear exit wound at the rear of the skull which those pesky doctors saw, somewhere between late 312 to early 313, another bullet is then fired from the right front entering the right temple area at nearly the same instant. Note at that instant (if you freeze at the right spot), the bulging skull area to the rear of the president`s head, which is "NOT" seen at the very instant of the 1st shot impacting from the rear. There imo, is the 2nd head shot, accounting for the large rear exit wound and also explaining why the president was vaulted violently backwards.

Two seperate shots, from two different directions, impacting almost at the very same instant. The 1st fired from the rear entering the top/rear portion of the skull area clearly exiting the right temple area, while the 2nd enters the right temple area and exits at the right rear portion of the skull, evident by the skull`s rear bulge.

Frames 310 to 328 are shown. Took me a little practice in order to freeze at just the right spots starting from frame 310.

Although something to play around with, I do recognize the gruesome horror, showing a life being violently taken away.

.............The structure of glass, is not the same as a human skull. Firing a bullet into a glass filled with water, is not the same as a human skull filled with brain. Glass will have a greater tendancy to shatter into hundreds of pieces rather than a human skull.

I have investigated my share of suicide shootings in the head, and I can tell you pieces of skull fragments, brains, noses, ear flaps and eyelids go in a bunch of different directions including straight back toward the muzzle of the rifle.

And I agree with isaac that eye witness testimony is often the easiest to discredit. I would sooner have forensics and documentary evidence any day.

my theory is the only logical one. the parrs put oswald up to it why else would he have at the parr ranch not to long before the assignation.............. The Duke of Duval - delion......................Texas Mutiny: Bullets, Ballots and Boss Rule

When Lyndon Johnson earned the nickname "Landslide Lyndon" in 1948, he did much more than barge into the U.S. Senate on the strength of 87 questionable votes. His election sparked a feud between two Texans, one, a powerful political boss, the other a law and order attorney. Their dispute degenerated into murder and a 12 year investigation that landed back on LBJ's doorstep on the eve of his presidency. The setting for the saga was South Texas Duval and Jim Wells counties. The key players were George Parr, �The Duke of Duval,� the boss of the South Texas political machine, patr�n to the Mexican people; and Jake Floyd, prominent attorney, political operative, dairy farmer, Baptist deacon and family man. Through a powerful network of alliances, George Parr controlled politics in 15 South Texas counties and wielded influence at the state capital and in Washington. He also exercised considerable power over economic development in his realm, controlling banks and exacting high tax levies. His stranglehold was anathema to Jake Floyd, who practiced law in Jim Wells County, considered part of the duke's kingdom and next door to Parr�s home of Duval County. Floyd was also a successful businessman, owning dairy farms and a partnership in a profitable oil company. Out of a drive for economic survival and a distaste for corruption, Floyd led the opposition against Parr's near stranglehold. In September 1952, the Parr Floyd adversarial relationship took a personal turn. Becoming more of a menace in various legal battles, Floyd became the target of a Mexican gunman hired by the Parr regime. But the plot went awry. The triggerman killed Floyd's look alike 22 year old son. Parr never went to trial in the murder, but one of his sheriff's deputies, a thug named Mario Sapet, served a 99 year sentence for hiring the killer and providing the murder weapon and getaway car. A Parr compadre, a lawyer named Nago Alaniz, was charged in the case, but was acquitted after the Duke of Duval hired famed Texas attorney Percy Foreman to represent him. The Mexican triggerman, a hoodlum and drug trafficker named Alfredo Cervantes, disappeared into the mountains of his homeland for eight years before he was arrested. It took four more years to bring him to trial, but a Mexican judge eventually found him guilty and sentenced him to a 30 year term. Jake Floyd dedicated the last dozen years of his life to resolving the case, unbowed by a string of obstacles, many of them traceable to George Parr. There was plenty of overt evidence of Parr's involvement in a cover-up. At one point, Alaniz strongly suggested to Floyd that Parr was behind the murder plot. Yet, none of the three men arrested in the case ever told the truth about who was behind the murder. When Parr, himself, was questioned about Buddy Floyd in 1975, just months before the Duke committed suicide, he dismissed the matter with an evasive laugh. George Parr outlived his nemesis Jake Floyd by 11 years, yet he, too, tasted final defeat. The opposition led by Floyd and others continued to win support from the state and ultimately from federal authorities. In the end, Parr chose to end his own life rather than live out his days behind bars...............
( kinda makes since if you knew how the parrs operated if he had his boy LBJ in the highest office in the land he could of continued with his deals without worrying about the feds )