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#4399525 - 09/10/10 Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner?
Idaho_Shooter Offline
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As a spin off from the evolution thread.



I found Skinners theories of psychology the most enlightening. And more closely matching my view of humanity.
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#4399550 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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#4399591 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: watch4bear]
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Doesn't anybody do Maslow anymore?
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#4399629 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: toltecgriz]
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Jesus Christ and Paul are my favorite explainers of the human condition... my brother is a die-hard Jungian.
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#4399720 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Brad]
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I am kind of a fan of the conditioned response.
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#4399736 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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Originally Posted By: Idaho_Shooter
I am kind of a fan of the conditioned response.


Whadda ya mean by that?
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#4399758 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: watch4bear]
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"operant conditioning" ...probably why I hunt cool

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#4399774 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: BMT]
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Given a healthy brain:

Human behavior and thought processes are learned.

Proper parenting and teaching rewards desirable behavior and punishes undesirable behavior. Proper parenting will bring about a condition where by the reward process becomes internalized.

Thus the psyche and the conscience are created by the parents.
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#4399780 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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Thus the psyche and the conscience are created by the parents.


Who taught the parents?
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#4399796 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: watch4bear]
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Originally Posted By: watch4bear
Quote:
Thus the psyche and the conscience are created by the parents.


Who taught the parents?



DUUUHHHH!
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#4399803 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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Originally Posted By: Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted By: watch4bear
Quote:
Thus the psyche and the conscience are created by the parents.


Who taught the parents?



DUUUHHHH!


that's funny, don't care who you are................

Charlie


Edited by chas05 (09/10/10)
Edit Reason: still funny
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#4399804 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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Oh, yeah, silly me, the neandertals. I forget so easily any more,
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#4399819 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: watch4bear]
chas05 Offline
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Originally Posted By: watch4bear
Oh, yeah, silly me, the neandertals. I forget so easily any more,


are you really that obtuse?

Charlie



Edited by chas05 (09/10/10)
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#4399927 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: watch4bear]
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Originally Posted By: watch4bear
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Thus the psyche and the conscience are created by the parents.


Who taught the parents?
Some operant conditioner.
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#4400043 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: RickyD]
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Jung was a results oriented guy . Sigmund was a fraud .

[ Somebody was gonna say it !grin ]
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#4400073 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: curdog4570]
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Grinnin here
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#4400101 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Brad]
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Originally Posted By: Brad
Jesus Christ and Paul are my favorite explainers of the human condition... my brother is a die-hard Jungian.

Agreed. For the correct answer, go straight to the top.
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#4400253 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: chas05]
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Originally Posted By: chas05
Originally Posted By: watch4bear
Oh, yeah, silly me, the neandertals. I forget so easily any more,


are you really that obtuse?

Charlie




An earlier version then?

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#4400257 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: toltecgriz]
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Originally Posted By: toltecgriz
Doesn't anybody do Maslow anymore?
My Cat is named Maslow. The wife was a psych major. Go figure.

She tells me that for the most part Freud, Jung, and Skinner are considered jokes in the psychology world now. I don't remember why, but she explained how modern psychologist do not adhere to the concepts those three proposed.
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#4400329 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: HugAJackass]
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Originally Posted By: HugAJackass
Originally Posted By: toltecgriz
Doesn't anybody do Maslow anymore?
My Cat is named Maslow. The wife was a psych major. Go figure.

She tells me that for the most part Freud, Jung, and Skinner are considered jokes in the psychology world now. I don't remember why, but she explained how modern psychologist do not adhere to the concepts those three proposed.

Your wife was obviously paying attention in her classes. The last I heard, Maslow's theory wasn't supported very well by research either. I always used to grit my teeth when some trainer would present Maslow's Hierarchy at the beginning of her class like it was some sort of gospel. Intuitive appeal ain't the same as validity!

Aside from analysts who had paid out a fortune for their own didactic analyses, I never knew many folks who took Freudian theory very seriously. English teachers loved it, or course, for all the symbolism and sexual stuff.

Past tense used because I've been retired for awhile.

Paul
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#4400339 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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Originally Posted By: Idaho_Shooter
As a spin off from the evolution thread.



I found Skinners theories of psychology the most enlightening. And more closely matching my view of humanity.


all three of them were poster boys for the disorders they championed.
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#4400355 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Idaho_Shooter]
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Originally Posted By: Idaho_Shooter
I am kind of a fan of the conditioned response.


How Pavlovian of you
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#4400488 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: Soulfly]
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once i thought about going through psychotherapy, but was always afraid after two years of pain and effort, they'd exocise the wrong debil.
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#4400564 - 09/10/10 Re: Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, or BF Skinner? [Re: chas05]
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Originally Posted By: chas05
Originally Posted By: watch4bear
Oh, yeah, silly me, the neandertals. I forget so easily any more,


are you really that obtuse?

Charlie



I can testify that that ain't the case . As this thread unravels you may wind up asking yourself that question ! grin
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