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In today's world if a perp or drug smuggler shoots you, you are the criminal...

At least to the liberal media and they will discredit with no hesitance. Facts... who needs facts, just a hunch is good enough.





Deputy's story proves out. His interview in this link, not on youtube yet so you have to go here.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/

Here's what he was being accused of...

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_705f9734-a50d-577d-a436-1028bed4063e.html

Pinal to reopen probe of deputy shot in desert
StoryPinal to reopen probe of deputy shot in desert
Tim Steller Arizona Daily Star Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:00 am

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The Pinal County Sheriff's Office announced Monday that it is reopening the investigation into the April 30 shooting of Deputy Louis Puroll to settle a key unanswered question: From what distance was he shot?

The department is sending Puroll's green T-shirt, marked by a bloodstained hole, to the Arizona Department of Public Safety's crime lab. The lab will determine if the T-shirt bears evidence of gunshot residue or any other sign that Puroll was shot from a close distance, not from the approximately 25 yards he reported to investigators.

The detail is key because some outside experts have raised doubts about Puroll's story. Two medical forensic experts concluded from looking at photos of Puroll's wound that he was shot from within inches, not from many yards away.

It's "a close wound, not a distant wound, based on the appearance of the skin around the wound, which is normally what we forensic pathologists look at," said Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City chief medical examiner currently working for the New York State Police. "We're talking inches, not yards."

Dr. Werner Spitz, former chief medical examiner for Detroit's Wayne County and author of a death-investigation textbook, said, "There's almost no doubt that this is a muzzle-contact-type injury, with the muzzle flame singeing the skin right where the bullet went by."

When asked if the bullet could have been from 25 yards away, he said, "No, it was not (even) from one yard away."

Their opinions were first reported by the Phoenix New Times in a story on the Puroll shooting published Thursday. Two other experts quoted in the story weren't as certain about the distance from which Puroll was shot.

On Friday, the Sheriff's Office put out a statement standing behind the investigation.

"After a review of all the evidence in this case, the Pinal County Sheriff's Office has closed this criminal investigation and concluded that it occurred as Deputy Puroll reported it," the statement said.

But the department changed its position Monday, saying that "to maintain the transparency of our criminal investigation, we are reopening this case."

Puroll's shooting occurred amid a raging national debate over illegal immigration, prompted by Arizona's SB 1070, which Gov. Jan Brewer had signed a week earlier. Rancher Rob Krentz was shot and killed in Cochise County about a month before Puroll was shot.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu was one of the most high-profile supporters of SB 1070, and in subsequent months he said in interviews that Mexican drug cartels control some remote parts of Pinal County like the area where Puroll was shot.

Puroll told dispatchers that day and later told investigators that he went that afternoon to watch a smuggling trail in the Vekol Valley, south of Interstate 8, near the Maricopa County-Pinal County line. He said he spotted a group of six men, five of whom were carrying large backpacks, as marijuana smugglers often do.

In cell-phone calls to dispatchers and his supervisor that afternoon, Puroll told them he was following the group from about a quarter-mile behind. Then Puroll crested a ridge, and a man about 25 yards away saw him and started firing, the deputy said. In a later interview with investigators, Puroll described it this way:

"I saw the first round go off. The muzzle flash from what I believe was the first round and I felt the impact. When I saw him, I had dropped my cell phone and GPS to the ground and grabbed my rifle that was slung in front of me and began to bring it up.

"Before I could get it up to shoot, his first round struck me in the side. I felt it. It felt like being popped with a wet towel. I knew I had been hit, and I knew that if I went down or stopped shooting there's a good chance I was going to be killed. My entire focus and attention at the point was staying on my feet and returning fire.

"I can remember telling myself, 'Use your sights; use your sights.' I centered my front sight center mass, and I squeezed a short burst on full automatic at the man that was shooting at me. He fell to the ground, his left, my right, immediately and went out of my sight. I never saw him again, and I don't believe any more gunfire came from his position, but I cannot swear to that."

Puroll said he also took some gunfire from a position perhaps 25 yards to his right but never saw those shooters and fired into the bushes in their direction, which ended the gunfire from that side.

Hundreds of police officers swarmed the area in subsequent hours, but they never found the shooters, backpacks or evidence of anyone Puroll may have shot.

Investigators did find four AK-47 ammunition magazines, one of them empty, and a cell phone connected to a 6-volt battery under a nearby tree.

The Associated Press contributed to this report. Contact reporter Tim Steller at 807-8427 or at tstellerazstarnet.com




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I'd like to get the damned liberals that propogate these damned lies out of this country about as much as I would the mexicans.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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I don't get it, what are they insinuating, that he shot himself to cover a bad shooting?







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Faster, then we could get rid of the illegals in peace.


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Reminds me of this "Fire"......

This "Prove it",....." I asked you Specifically",INTERROGATION style response to posts proven true and valid

............"You can't understand, because I know more about this subject,.....and you've never been a ,.....yadda"

................"You've been drinking, and taking the Lord's name
yadda, etc."

CRAP,...and that's just what it is Kent, ....CRAP.

Is growing old,.... But worse,....DISCOURAGING.

Hell, today the ultimate Troll bails in ! The Obama Voters are getting mouthy, and really critical,....lying about us needing folks shot to fulfill our ,....yadda,....

Has it occurred to you that we may very well be on the WRONG site,....to be speaking our mind this freely ?

You obviously understand how risky our attitude becomes,.....moreso daily, it would seem.

Just thinking out loud's all.

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Originally Posted by Barkoff
I don't get it, what are they insinuating, that he shot himself to cover a bad shooting?


Bark, ....they'll insinuate ANYTHING,.....and credibility / feasibility / logic, will have NOTHING to do with it.

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Well you are reaching here, it is a lot harder to believe a BP agent shot himself in the side than it is to believe a Mesican got drunk and hit and then ran.

Half the hit and runs in my area are just that, drunk Mesicans.







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Originally Posted by Barkoff
Well you are reaching here, it is a lot harder to believe a BP agent shot himself in the side than it is to believe a Mesican got drunk and hit and then ran.

Half the hit and runs in my area are just that, drunk Mesicans.



"They" are NOT the BP folks involved, "THEY" as I wrote that are the MEDIA,.............you're a complete 180* out of phase with what I was ( politely, I might add) trying to provide as an answer to your question.

Phugg it.

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Yo,....Kent,.....

"Well you are reaching here,"

it is a lot harder to believe a BP agent shot himself in the side than it is to believe a Mesican got drunk and hit and then ran."


see what I mean ?

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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Well you are reaching here, it is a lot harder to believe a BP agent shot himself in the side than it is to believe a Mesican got drunk and hit and then ran.

Half the hit and runs in my area are just that, drunk Mesicans.



"They" are NOT the BP folks involved, "THEY" as I wrote that are the MEDIA,.............you're a complete 180* out of phase with what I was ( politely, I might add) trying to provide as an answer to your question.

Phugg it.

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I hear ya Greg, already the diverters are at it, soon the others will arrive.



Sheriff Deputy...

Nothing to do with hit and run...

liberal agenda to divert for their own reasons, nothing about facts.

And No, Greg didn't call for mass shootings of illegals, I didn't insult a midwesterner, Greg hasn't said WTF!, I haven't been satirical... yet... except for... oh, you get the idea.

Yes, I am feeling we are on the wrong site, and the personal risk is real. It's close to whether it's worth it, it's been on my mind... so most likely the direction I'm going. The story will still be out there happening, I'm sure no one here really needs us doing play-by-play or adding personal insight... especially since we are wrong.

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Originally Posted by RickyD
I'd like to get the damned liberals that propogate these damned lies out of this country about as much as I would the mexicans.


There's a PLAN !

Mogadishu, Somalia OK with you as their port of entry to the real World ?

I guess there's always Haiti,....closer, and all.

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More from the liberal media, they still won't give in.

Seems Trolls aren't just for the inner'net.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010...s-and-deputy-louie-puroll-s-reputations/



Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu Goes on the Defensive in a Desperate Attempt to Save His and Deputy Louie Puroll's Reputations
A A A Comments (31) By Paul Rubin Thursday, Oct 7 2010

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu seemed unprepared for the intense national and local media scrutiny immediately thrust on him and his deputy, Louie Puroll, in the wake of our story "Pinalcchio".
Forensically examining just the bloody T-shirt won't prove definitively whether Louie Puroll is lying or telling the truth.
Forensically examining just the bloody T-shirt won't prove definitively whether Louie Puroll is lying or telling the truth.
Sheriff Paul Babeu became a national media darling earlier this year after Deputy Louie Puroll (right) said he was shot in the desert by drug smugglers bearing AK-47 rifles.
Sheriff Paul Babeu became a national media darling earlier this year after Deputy Louie Puroll (right) said he was shot in the desert by drug smugglers bearing AK-47 rifles.
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Babeu, an anti-illegal immigrant spokesman of increasing national prominence since the famous April 30 shooting incident involving Puroll, attempted the following defenses after we published the results of our four-month investigation into the shooting, allegedly by drug-smuggling men of color (Latinos or Native Americans, according to the deputy's account):

� New Times is a "conspiracy theory publication" that favors leaps of logic over bona fide reporting techniques, and the newspaper rushed to judgment that the deputy was lying within hours after Puroll reported being shot. (To the contrary, we started questioning the deputy's account only after law enforcement sources from myriad agencies contacted us with concerns in the days after the incident. We then spent hundreds of hours � many of them in dialogue with Pinal County Sheriff's Office officials � analyzing every aspect of the complex case.)

� The paper went "expert shopping," perhaps even going so far as to "hire" forensic pathologists, psychiatrists, crime-scene experts, and private investigators quoted in the piece. (Neither "shopping" nor "hiring" of experts occurred. We contacted the best, most experienced pathologists we could find � and they weren't all in agreement on certain aspects of the evidence � and asked them to analyze the case.)

� That he has "reopened" the case by sending Deputy Puroll's bloody T-shirt to the Arizona Department of Public Safety to be scientifically analyzed for gunshot residue evidence and other signs of a contact or near-contact wound. The testing, Babeu continues to insist, will "put this matter to bed once and for all" by proving that Deputy Puroll was truthful about getting grazed in the left flank by a marijuana smuggler who fired an AK-47 assault rifle at him. (Babeu has not reopened the case, which would mean re-interviewing his deputy, asking a litany of unresolved questions, and looking into all aspects of the prior investigation. What Pinal County has done is send an evidentiary item � the T-shirt � to a state crime lab five months after the fact for evaluation. That shirt is but one component of the case, a piece of a much larger puzzle. The shirt alone isn't proof positive of whether the deputy is lying or has been truthful.)

� That he was "befuddled" by statements, made by a DPS spokesman at a news conference last week, that state detectives were surprised when Pinal County relegated the DPS to processing the Puroll crime scene rather than investigating the entire matter. (Babeu told the Associated Press after last Wednesday's news conference that he disagreed with the DPS for making negative statements "at a time that there's questions about a piece of evidence, and they weigh in and try to distance themselves and raise additional questions.

� That the PCSO concluded months ago "the incident occurred as Deputy Puroll reported it." (True enough. Sheriff Babeu and his detectives seemed to decide from the moment they heard the deputy's "I've been hit!" 911 call that he was telling the truth.)

The New Times investigation raised doubts about Deputy Puroll's story and questioned parts of Pinal County's investigation.

Among the issues:

� The shortage of expended shell casings at and near the desert crime scene that may have been fired by Puroll's alleged assailants (going by the deputy's own account).

� The inability of a quasi-cavalry of law enforcement officers by land and by air to ever locate the half-dozen smugglers (Puroll said he probably hit one of the bad guys with gunfire) or any of the five backpacks supposedly filled with marijuana that the deputy reported seeing.

� The deputy's improbable account to Pinal County investigators about not wearing his backpack during the "shoot-out." (It remains unclear whether he was carrying it for some reason when the smugglers supposedly opened fire on him or whether he took it off during the clash. The backpack, which surely would have been damaged by the bullet that struck Puroll just above his left kidney, had he been wearing it, showed no signs of getting hit by gunfire.)

� Puroll's "interview" with Pinal County criminal investigators, which was more of an uninterrupted monologue than a search for the truth by the detectives � no follow-up questions of substance and no quest for telling details that may have aided the investigation ensued.

� New Times quoted nationally known forensic pathologists, some of whom concluded, on the basis of photographs, that Deputy Puroll's grazing wound was caused by a contact or near-contact shot from an undetermined caliber of bullet. Puroll, to the contrary, has told investigators that he was shot from at least 25 yards away.

� The angle of Puroll's wound, which was horizontal, does not mesh with the angle of the distinctly uphill shot from the first of at least two assailants the deputy described to investigators.

Sheriff Babeu continues to insist in interviews that his agency's chain of custody (paperwork that tracks the movement and location of physical evidence from the moment police obtain it) was followed in the Puroll case, specifically the bloody T-shirt.

PCSO reports show that a sergeant confiscated Louie Puroll's rifle and backpack at a makeshift "command post" set up at Interstate 8 between Casa Grande and Gila Bend after a DPS helicopter pilot delivered the deputy there after extracting him from the desert.
Forensically examining just the bloody T-shirt won't prove definitively whether Louie Puroll is lying or telling the truth.
Forensically examining just the bloody T-shirt won't prove definitively whether Louie Puroll is lying or telling the truth.
Sheriff Paul Babeu became a national media darling earlier this year after Deputy Louie Puroll (right) said he was shot in the desert by drug smugglers bearing AK-47 rifles.
Sheriff Paul Babeu became a national media darling earlier this year after Deputy Louie Puroll (right) said he was shot in the desert by drug smugglers bearing AK-47 rifles.


The deputy remained at the location only briefly (he apparently spoke there with Paul Babeu, according to the sheriff's account) before an ambulance delivered him to the Casa Grande Regional Medical Center for treatment.

The sergeant, Aubrey Keck, wrote in a report that he turned over the deputy's rifle and backpack to Puroll's case agent, Detective Todd Nelson, at the command post.

There, Detective Nelson apparently also took Puroll's bloody T-shirt into his possession.

But New Times has seen no report authored by Nelson documenting exactly how, when, and from whom he got Puroll's T-shirt or any documentation on the shirt's condition and appearance.

Police detectives and others who have examined photographs of the shirt note that it appears to have been cut open in the area of the bloodstain.

"Whoever it was [who cut through the fabric] recklessly cut right through the bloodstain and bullet defects," says longtime homicide investigator Weaver Barkman (now retired from the Pima County Sheriff's Office and working as a private investigator in Tucson). "That distorted the most significant portion of the shirt."

Could the person who did the cutting have been on the DPS helicopter that took Puroll to the command post? The state agency's own report on the incident doesn't note specifics about the medical attention given the deputy during the short ride.

Records show that Detective Nelson released the T-shirt and several other evidentiary items to an ID tech shortly after midnight on May 1, eight hours after Puroll's "I've been hit!" 911 call.

The ID tech photographed some of the items, but not the shirt, at that time.

According to PCSO reports, the T-shirt was placed in the storage locker of the agency's Criminal Investigations Bureau. The ID tech didn't photograph the shirt until five days had passed, on the morning of May 5.

The stain on the shirt consists of both dried and seemingly moist blood.

"This shirt should have been carefully handled to avoid loss of gunshot residue and other trace evidence," Barkman says. "It should have been air-dried, and when dry, folded flat for storage, preserving the defect, bloodstain pattern, and any remaining gunshot residue."

Several people we interviewed for "Pinalcchio," including the four forensic pathologists, told us that if Deputy Puroll was wearing an outer garment at the time of the shooting � say, a long-sleeve shirt � the outer garment (not the T-shirt) would have captured most, if not all, of any gunshot residue.

Pinal County sheriff's Lieutenant Tamatha Villar commented in May that search-and-rescue deputies such as Puroll are supposed to wear long-sleeve shirts on duty as protection from the elements. And when New Times went with a county SWAT team to the "crime scene" last July, everyone on duty was wearing long sleeves.

Louie Puroll did have a long-sleeve heavy-flannel shirt/jacket wrapped around his backpack at the time of his "rescue," and it had faint bloodstains on it. But it showed no signs of getting hit by a bullet.

The deputy still isn't answering questions directly from the media. Agency spokesman Tim Gaffney says Puroll wants to speak publicly after the internal-affairs investigation into the shooting is completed.

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As for won't answer questions directly... I'm sure the new times was at the interview...

Yet from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/07/arizona.deputy.shooting/

local news,

http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13288360

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Two more weeks till deer season starts in many of these areas.

If you were out with your son, daughter, wife, friend, or just solo. Came over a ridge and there was an armed drug smuggler at close range... are you going to wait and give them the first move?

I have in the past... at very close range... quite intense actually... The unspoken rules of confrontation have been changed since then.

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The New Times is a dope promoting, anti-police, liberal, conspiratorialist paper....maybe just a little worse than the Republic.

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Yep, facts/reality seldom come into play... agenda is the driving force. Attack with no conscious or moral standing... kill the enemy with lies... win at all costs.

The enemy will try to defend with logic, fact, reality, truth.... eventually anger... but hearsay, injected misdirect, outright lies will sway the masses in time.

Greg's point of the Fire being a microcosm of this tactic is valid, it's already happened. The good guys are now the bad.

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WTF are you bellowing about?


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Bingo...

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I win something?

Or, is there something you think we here on the 'fire internet forums can do for you? Border issues are not restricted to Arizona.


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