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Carrying two packs seems a lot stranger than carrying a Neo Air and CC foam pad.
Maybe its just that Taylor is so abrasive?

Apparently it has happened.


I've used mine in the 20's with a 20 oz. top bag and slept fine. Partner has had his in single digits without issue.


It doesn't require one to function or pack well.


Exactly...comfort and redundancy seem good to me in a sleeping system. GG ThinLight works for 2-5.7 oz. in standard widths.


True, and most of us own some of them too. They are a better choice for certain trips.


I sleep great in the hills; must be my clear conscience.

That could be I reckon, he doesn't beat around the bush and some people don't like it. I think he was actually saying that if your sleeping outside in below 20 temps to use both, maybe I'm not reading it right.

Don't carry two sleeping pads or a liner for my sleeping bag, either.

My internal pack and then frame weigh less than most "backpack hunters'" pack alone.

My point is that a backpack hunter should seek gear that works, not gear that needs an accessory in order to work.

I find that there are many gearheads on this forum and very few backpack hunters, therefore, talk of accessorizing the accessory is appealing!

Taylor

Yup, and I find that there's one or two blowhards on this forum, too.

Saying people like Brad and EdT aren't backpack hunters is pretty funny though.

Personally, I don't see why some people take such a keen interest in what others carry/don't carry on their backs to the point of criticism.

I'll bet Marc could outrun EdT though! (Sorry, I couldn't resist that!)

Your internal and frame weigh 2 lb 9 oz? Wow!

My first backpack hunt was in 1974 BTW.

That's something we've got in common Ed. The difference being that I was a few months old and riding in a Gerry kid carrier. I'm guessing you were carrying your own pack...

If you have a need to accessorize your gear to adjust for conditions/comfort (e.g. add a ccf pad -- in this case a very thin and light one -- to an inflatable for warmth), I'm not quite sure what the problem is, especially if you still end up with something lighter than most other options. Some companies sell sleeping bags designed to go together as a system because used alone they don't cover all situations. Doesn't seem to be an uncommon or unreasonable approach.

Ed T or Brad not a a backpack hunter??? Now that was funny. What's amazing is that they're still alive after using down bags all those years.

True but both of those weenies have failed to perform the super special pour water in and on your bag circus stunt.

Well, I like to bring a z-rest along a lot of times just to use to sit on when I lounge around the campfire or sit down to glass. But I find an inflatable much more comfortable to sleep on. Inflatables aren't any good around fires or rocks though so sometimes I bring both.

I'm really sorry if that offends some people. Really I am.

Never thought of it as "accesorizing," hell, the colors don't even match my purse.

I've been known to lug in some steaks and pork chops to cook over the fire the first few nights out too. Beats the hell out of Mountain House. Never had anyone who was along for the trip tell me I was carrying too much weight and doing it wrong, at least once they smelled the sizzle.

smokepole, that reminds me. What area are you putting in for next year? I'm thinking that a hunt where you pack all that good stuff in and Westy packs all the meat out would be some kind of nice.

It's a secret.

And I'm the only one who wants to know.

I read somewhere once that a true friend was someone that packed in 2 thick steaks and a cast iron skillet to cook them in. True freind or at least someone that got invited back the next time! Was that you?...............................DJ

It wasn't me, I've been known to pack in extra stuff (mostly food) but a skillet is way over the top.

I do like my Purcell Trench grill though, made with tubular stainless steel, light as a feather. You can use it to grill meat or cook with a pot over a fire. I like the Streamside Packer model because it's best for fish:

http://www.purcelltrench.com/grills.htm

Yup, and that's why it's a secret.

Mr. smokepole,
Have not seen that one before. Will be ordering the Streamside Packer next week.
Thanks for the advice.
Best Wishes

Cool, and you're welcome. Use it in good health!

Back in the 90s I did a 10 day long backpack trip into the Wind River range. One of my clients hiked in with his gear and back out to bring several 12 packs of beer to us at base camp!
That man was(and is) a hero, I tell ya, a hero.