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Other than QC and materials,you've a leg to stand on............
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Missed something.....what does that last statement mean???
I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know
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They were made from schit and of schit tolerances.
For starters..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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OK.....but name a regular production rifle (NOT a semi-custom job like the Kimber, ect) that doesn't fit this description (according to you).
Been a few years since I saw you post regularly......had forgotten what an ass you can be.
I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know
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Don't recall you at all and I reckon you get that often.
What's [bleep] than transition 70's? Not much.
That should cheer you up............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Most of the older push feed M70's that I see in use out in the boondocks are subject to some pretty harsh conditions, and they continue to do their job with a minimum of maintenance. If a rifle is completely dependable, even under extreme conditions, and has the ability to shoot less than MOA accuracy after thousands of rounds I don't know what more you could expect or want. To me a rifle is a tool to accomplish a job, and I am more interested in how it functions over how it looks sitting in a gun case. But that's just me, and it is obvious that opinions vary...
'Nam Vet '67, '68, '69
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"Hard use" and Weaver tip-off's,in conjunction with milk jug handles...make for a very funny opinion.
Novel outlook though................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I have 2, one in .243 and another in .300WM, that after the typical pillar bedding, trigger adjusting, and handloading, that shoot very good groups. Well under 1/2" for 3 shot groups. Not kicking you, FC363, but there ain't a whole lot of "well" under a half an inch for three shots. Even a half inch under a half inch is 3 through the exact same hole with ZERO variation. OK, well just to clarify "well under", a .269" group from my .300WM using 70grs of IMR7828 under the Sierra 220gr BTHP, at magazine length no less! I tried seating closer and it hated it.
"Give a lazy man the toughest job, and he will find the easiest way to do it"
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dave, it wasn't how it normally goes with you. i showed him my TARGETS and he wouldn't show me his TARGETS. Dunno what you guys out there are showing each other... Stick- trick 81 is holding the rifle still. trick 29 is adjusting the trigger how you like it. and trick 19 is just not being a [bleep] shot to start with. i don't use any others.
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Trick 1,is fielding good tools outta the gate.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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absolutely. the leupold helped. as did the Noslers. maybe my dad got the best one of the model 70 bunch that time, who knows.
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I think it added a little sumptin',that she sailed over your head.
Appreciate that!...............
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ah, sometimes i have been known to let 'em go. no need to waste all the goodwill i got built up here by gettin in a pissin match with you, specially when i am not likely to win.
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Pizzin' match? Not even..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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yer just going to have to quit bein' so grouchy. keep it up and i will have to tell one of these guys who caught the gay 'round here, to come visit you for a backrub.
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That is one fine group and indicative of ALL Winchesters. Here's one of mine in 375. When Winchester brought out the CRF in 1992 under the "Classic" moniker (which is what this 375 is), they once again set the standard for a hunting rifle. jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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well i sure didn't go THAT far with my comment. i was saying it's not known as a good gun but i shot a good sample of one.
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That is one fine group and indicative of ALL Winchesters. Here's one of mine in 375.
When Winchester brought out the CRF in 1992 under the "Classic" moniker (which is what this 375 is), they once again set the standard for a hunting rifle.
jorge That is a very excellent group....... I also have a Classic CRF .375 H&H and I agree that they are excellent rifles. I'll have to take it out in the days and run a few rounds through it.. (I also made a note of your load data... Might have to work up some of those loads and see how they perform in my M70)...
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My S/S Classic 300WSM was(is) lightyears ahead of all things transition.
Yet lightyears behind a Montucky...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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