Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What are the cops thinking outside Terri's deathbed?

That's a pretty common, if antiquated term for a child born out of wedlock, if it offends, I apologize. My intent is not to alienate you, but to illustrate how absurd his position is. He is held as having his wife's best interest at heart, when he has another wife (common-law) and children at home. I'm saying that is clear that he is not acting in Terri's best interest, it's clear that he has moved on.

Blaine, has this doctor offered to assume this case pro-bono? What is his success rate?

I heard today that Michigan is working on a law that if your convicted of adultry, you will not have any standing when a decision is to be made on the care of your spouse should a case like this arise.

Stick, I agree with you on this one.

The doctor who was on Hanity and Colmes is a quack. Not a Nobel nominee at all! A doctor will testify in court to his opinion and if it suits that legal team, $$$

Hanity is usually right on but read this

http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200503220009

Well, he and his lawyer maintain that they stand to gain nothing. However, several nurses from the the facility have testified, under oath, that he has bragged of the money he will receive and the things he will buy. Truth is, there is no way for us to know, her finances are sealed.

What do you want to bet that he gets a book and TV movie deal out of it? I'm sure the movie will feature many stereotyped caricatures of mean, nasty, conservatives.

Do you really believe that this is just a case of a husband honestly trying his hardest to carry out his wife's wishes? That politics has nothing to do with it? That her death does not serve a purpose for the left?

I'm sorry, look at the ghoulish zeal that these people display, the comments of the Vic Kambers, the Bob Beckels, the Ron Brownsteins. There is way more to it than the struggle one family faces. This is being used for a much larger purpose, furthering a political agenda, consolidating political power and damaging political opponents.

My focus remains on the head of lettuce. I'd not wanna be in that boat,so couldn't/wouldn't force another to take that tour.

As far as the husband wanting to whittle a chunk,I don't hold that against him. Ranching lettuce ain't his gig,just the same as it wouldn't be mine. My perception is that his cards are largely on the table and I'd not crucify him for that candor.

Nor am I under the illusion,that some SawBones has within his satchel,a Magic Pill that is gonna remedy her condition. Nor do I think there is a deep covert conspiracy,to deny her said mystical prescription(s).

Prolonging her despair,ain't a loving conclusion..............

And that is almost as sad as a young woman about to loose her life. Her parents are the ones who drove it to this point, weather intentionally or otherwise. Hopefully, come election time someone will be held accountable, though it's highly unlikely.

Hi,

I've thought this over. It's really easy to get wrapped over this case. I've not connected myself with the interpersonal issues of the Schiavo/Schindler family, so much as the larger social and political issues that surround the case. It occured to me that a great many people don't see it that way, and there is a tendency to correlate Terri's experience with their own.

Arguing over it here, with all of you, is probably harmful. I'm sure that we are all a pretty like-minded bunch of guys, who would enjoy knocking back beers with each other and talking guns/hunting. So, what the hell am I doing in a bare-knuckled debate here?

Rhetorical slap-downs should be directed at appropriate targets - libs. All of this amounts to a blue on blue fire incident. So, to that end, if I've offended anyone, David Walter, AJ, I sincerely apologize.

I'll pick fights at Democratic Underground <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, not here.

I didn't see it as an argument, just a friendly debate <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'm thinking along the same lines. It's midnight here, my day is gonna start about 6:30AM. Big Al can be real nasty if he don't get his beauty rests, though it ain't done squat for his looks.

Have a good night!

Bwannabe,
I've been following this quietly,and have to say,you are right!
It will be over soon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.
No matter what side of this you come down on,remember to take care of your legal stuff!
God have mercy on Mr.Schiavo's soul.

I'm not the one making any decisions myself, but if they are going to let this person die, then letting her die of lack of food or water is utter Bu ll S hit. Period. I am just a little sick of some of our lame judges. Never in my life did I think this is how we would let someone helpless die.

I'm on the side of who ever wants to go kick that judges, A ss. He's worthless in my opinion. It's jerks like him I find spinless.

If it's death, there are much more humane ways we put our pet out by, why not her. I'm of the opinion we now have way too many judges in this country that dont follow the law, but create their own. That's the real problem.

AggieDog:

"I'm on the side of who ever wants to go kick that judges, A ss. He's worthless in my opinion. It's jerks like him I find spinless. "

I'll amen that once or twice. These judges are insane and out of control.

and I know we do that all the time, pulling plugs, etc, but in most cases the person isnt sitting there staring at you. etc. Watched one of my best friend's die in the Army, but he had no chance of recovery, and was not consience, and could not breath on his own, it was over fast. I see this case as somewhat different.

Dude, did you read the report on his disciplinary action?

He was not disciplined becasue his methods didn't work, on the contrary, the vast majority of his stroke patients showed improvement after his treatment, and the transcript shows that. He was also very careful in how he advertised his services and he required the corodination and action by the patients regular physicians. The transcript shows he did not engage in false advertising.

He was disciplined because ONE patient intended to get a $3000 treatment, paid the $3K, but didn't get that treatment. During one portion on the treatment she was to meet with a certain doc at 8 AM. However, the building was still locked, she couldn't find anyone to let her in, she decided she didn't like the look of the place, and left. The patients fee included the treatment she was get get at 8 AM that day. Further, the patients regular doctor would not administer the medications Dr Hammesfahr recommended, but she got better anyway.

In short, the whole disciplinary action was over confusion as to which treatment the pateint was to receive. She actually received the $2000 treatment, but she paid for the $3000 treatment. Yes, I think Hammesfahr should have refunded her $1000 as part of good customer service, giving the patient the benfit of the doubt.

However, his methods work and that was established as fact during the investigation.

That does not describe a quack...............

I don't know if its a case of a husband honestly doing anything, and the political maneuvering of others is not part or parcel of the argument, either.

ALL I have EVER stated is that if she expressed a wish to die, then that wish should be honored. And I think the courts are smart enough to find the truth.

Don't care if the husband is a bastard, or the kids are, or the democrats are or the republicans are.

Just think she has a right to express her wishes in this case, and the courts seem to think she has expressed a clear wish, and they are honoring that wish. No more, no less.


And, since I do not have access to the facts they have access to, I'm going to believe that that many good men and women would not let her die against her wishes if they thought it was against her wishes.

I agree with folks here that many things stink about this case as it has been presented and it is difficult to believe the law could allow the parents NO say in the outcome, but such appears to be so.

There seems to be at least reasonable doubt about the motives of the husband. I have heard no refutation offered to the statement that he diverted funds intended for rehabilitation.

IMHO this ain't about the issue of doing in a vegetable, I don't think that anyone here is interested in artificially prolonging the life of anyone in a profound vegetative state. The question here seems more to be about asserting beyond a reasonable doubt that she IS a vegetable. Near as I can tell the legal decisions have mostly been about whether the LETTER of the law (rather than the spirit) is being followed here.



I did get a cold chill watching those Cops on TV, and got one again reading the above statement. I know none of those Cops in question personally but the issue does arise about what OTHER laws Cops as a group might have the "intestinal fortitude" to enforce in the interest of "keeping the peace" should such laws be passed.

I'm with Dixie on this one, in this case I personally would have walked rather than enforce such an order. Now, if assignment to that particular detail were voluntary (as I suspect it might be) and I myself were not required to participate would I still stay on the job? That becomes a difficult question.

Birdwatcher

One intresting point that I heard on talk-radio today, if this has become about Terry Schiavo's wishes not to live in this state, and about her right to die as she wishes (or wished), why is Jack Kevorkian still sitting in jail?
I don't really see the difference between removing the feeding tube, or an injection.

I wonder if his lawyers are planning an appeal?

I'll second this, doctors practice medicine under a microscope these days. It is damn near impossible for a family care physician to get through his career unblemished, but a specialist? Pfftt - forget about it!

Dixie Freedom......Dittos on Black robe insanity,bad situation,this.Judicial fiat,ableak,very disturbing trend.
GTC

If they had allowed those 'folks' to give her that drink of water she would have drowned. She cannot swallow, she cannot eat, she has to be fed via a tube for a reason.