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AKA: a brand new Catholic.

Thanks to all who provided me with insight and advice when I sought it [color:"blue"][b][u]here[/u][/b][/color].



My son--after sampling a number of denominational services, over several months--chose to be baptized a Catholic. That's the one that speaks to him.

I was not a part of the original discussion. I am sorry that I missed it.

Be advised that the only true way to heaven is by grace, through faith, in Christ.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Unfortunately Roman Catholicism denies that, and adds works, sacraments, and other things. They also state that one can be saved without Christ such as Muslims. Accordingly, Roman Catholicism is not Christian.

You and your son do as you will but be advised that you are following a religion that is manmade and not Christian.

Jerry

[Original comments redacted] Never mind.

Congratulations to your son on a fine choice.

Some should apologize to you. I don't understand how they can hate other Christians.

Indy,



Upon what do you base this statement? Who hates whom?

I too would appreciate an explanation as to who hates whom?

Maybe I should not jump to conclusions, but I interpret it to mean that a post like I made indicates hate. If you meant that then you have little understanding of the true basics of Christianity and do not understand the meaning of true love that wants the lost to know the trtth.

If I misread then I apologize in advance, but please explain your meaning.

Jerry

Congrats Wuzza--best to you and your boy in the path you choose.

And congrats to you jmartin, you win the all time prize for mercy. Truth is a person, Jesus Christ...not to be confused with "being right" the endless exercise of self-referral.

Wuzza,

Congradulations on the Baptism! I'm sure the little guy is stoked.

I've been baptized twice... Once as an infant, and once so I could be a youth pastor at a Conserative Baptist Church. (Yeah Jerry.... for 3 years)

Yes Jesus is Truth, and so is His Word. The Word of God is truth. If you would examine that truth as pertains to love, mercy, and the fundamentals of the faith, and then compare the stated official beliefs of RC and Mormons, you would either have to ignore the truth or agree that neither is Christian.

I am not so concerned with my being correct, as stating the correctness that is contained in the truth of the Bible.
Would you like to compare RC official doctrine, contained in the Council of Trent with what the Bible says?

Jerry

Which one of those baptisms was as a result of you being obedient to the word of God after you got saved? You did get saved, right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

wuzza,

Congrats! Keep him in your prayers and be the example for him in the things of the Lord. God bless and may He be with you all.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

Best of luck to you both. And don't let people get you down with their attacks on the beliefs of others.

I don't remember the first one, but I consider it my baptism.......

The second one was to appease the Pastor of the Church.. The youth were neglected and I had to do something about it. So, I took one for the team and was re-baptized so I could minister to the kids. It was just a "swim" for me, and I don't count it as a super spiritual event in my life.

Show me infant baptism in the Bible. If you read the New Testament, you will find that people got baptized after they professed a saving faith in Jesus Christ. You do NOT find anyone taking one for the team.

I was sprinkled as a baby. (they tell me.) I was poured as a youngster. (they tell me) Then I trusted the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour at 32 years of age. It was then that I got baptized.

Baptism always follows salvation.
Acts 8:37 - the Ethiopian Eunich gets saved first and then baptized.
Acts 9 - the apostle Paul gets saved first and then Baptized.
Acts 10 - Cornelius gets saved first and then is baptized.
Acts 16:31-33 - the Philippian jailer gets saved first and then gets baptized.

Not one of them trusted their infant baptism as anything (if they even had it). And not one of them took one for the team.

I don't count my baptism as a super spiritual event in my life either. I count it as a simple step of obedience to the word of God. One of several over the years.

If you want to be scriptural, you should go with the Bible, not something someone did to you before you were big enough to fight back, remember what was happening, or make a conscious decision for Jesus Christ before hand.

Ahh... the statement of a Baptist.

The Reformers had a different view on baptism. But, i'm way to tired to explain the Reformed view of baptism right now. If you have Luthers writings on the anabaptists and rebaptism, read them.. they are good.

I'd just as soon read the Bible. Baptism does nothing for a person except get them wet in the physical sense. In the scriptures, baptism is a step of obedience to God that identifies the person with other believers. It is a picture of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It is NOT a baptist doctrine. It is a Bible doctrine.

Some of us Baptist because we believe the doctrinal positions held by Baptist are the closest to the Bible. That is the reason that I am one.
However, when I find a difference in what is preached by Baptist, and what the Bible says or does not say I disagree with the Baptist.

What the_shootist and I are telling you is what the Bible says. If you disagree then argue from a Biblical viewpoint and not from tradition or emotionalism.

There are some issues that are not so clear, and accordingly learned, scholarly, and dedicated Christian men have not agreed. We might think of Wesley and Calvin. I would not even belong in the same county as either of them.
However, in my own study, and studying the works of some of the greatest Bible scholars in history, I do not agree 100% with either Wesley or Calvin.
I do agree with Calvin in the area of the 5 points of Calvinism, but even there I do not agree that Jesus died only for the elect, because the Bible says that He did for the whole world. There are a fair number of doctrinal positions that Wesley was incorrect in his position. I am not going to argue those in this thread.

I have explained this so that you will realize that I am not taking a position that Baptists are correct and everyone else incorrect.

But some things the Bible is so clear on that one can only misunderstand if he is determined to, or if he is blinded. One of those is that justification is by grace alone alone, through faith, in Christ alone.
When works and sacraments and other things are added, that person or group has chosen a way to God that God will not accept. They are not Christian.

A few years ago I asked a Catholic priest how to get to Heaven. Without a second of hesitation he answered, �Do good works.� That man was as lost as a headhunter in the jungles.

One becomes justified, and becomes acceptable to God only by the way that He has decreed. That is the way of the Cross and faith in the true Christ and His atoning sacrifice. If anything is added one does not believe that Christ�s sacrifice was entirely sufficient, and accordingly does not believe God�s way of salvation.

Anyone who wants to argue that Roman Catholicism is true Christianity only need examine the Canons of the Council of Trent. I will give just two.

CANON XXIV.-If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.

(Note that good works preserve and increase justification. This is in direct contradiction to what the Bible says. �Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.�)

CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.

(Eternal life is attained only by grace through faith in Christ. This is the teaching of the Bible, and what the above Canon states is in direct contradiction to the Bible, as the Canon states that works merit increase in grace and the attainment of eternal life. Grace by definition is unmerited favor.)

If one decides to believe in a way of justification that is contrary to the Bible, then that is his own decision, but the results are an eternity apart from God.

Jerry

"I too would appreciate an explanation as to who hates whom?

Maybe I should not jump to conclusions, but I interpret it to mean that a post like I made indicates hate. If you meant that then you have little understanding of the true basics of Christianity and do not understand the meaning of true love that wants the lost to know the trtth.

If I misread then I apologize in advance, but please explain your meaning."

The explanation is simple.

Instead of congratulating the young man on his choice of a religion, you took the opportunity to denounce his religion. Perhaps "hate" is too strong a word for what sems to be your absence of civility. Let alone simple politeness.

"Bigot" is spelled b-i-g-o-t and will do nicely.

As far as understanding the basics of Christianity, I think they include behaving toward others in what would seem to be a Christian manner.

Is it a requirement for being a Baptist to denounce the beliefs of good Christians who happen to be Catholic or Mormon?

If someone invites you to a Jewish wedding do you make a scene about the theology?

Now, if I have you wrong, then I am the one who should apologize, and I do so.

Master_Bonzi,



The Scripture has a chronology. It does not say, "Be born and be baptized." The Word of God says, "Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sin." A small child does not understand this concept.

Indy,



Would you show us from the Bible what a "Christian manner" is? It sure seems to me Jerry was expressing Christian love in his manner. He is concerned for the salvation of this child and his dad.