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Close enough. A rose is a rose.

If you can point out some of those glaring contradictions to me, perhaps I can learn something from them.

It's good to see there is still some folks on the fire who think for themselves rather than letting politicians and radio personalities do their thinking for them.

I just don't understand why so many here are running to the aid of a government who has systematically raped us of our rights and money for their own empowerment and benefit.


I sure as hell don't trust my government and I believe the more transparent they are, the less mischief they'll be able to cause behind closed doors.

Rex;

You know better than that. It's not the .gov, it's the American PEOPLE put in danger by this crap that gets folks worked up.

.gov is one thing, and on that, I think you know that you and I (and many) agree. But, you start jeopardizing the lives of servicemen and women, civilians, etc., then we've got problems.

Servicemen and women are the government. Civilians paid by the government are the government.

Whom did you think the government was?

Wrong, again.

Who is more likely to please God?

� � them that walk after the flesh in the lust of defilement, and despise dominion. Daring, self-willed, they tremble not to rail at dignities: (2 Peter 2:10)

or those who

� Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit to them � (Hebrews 13:17)

Most people have never thought of it in that light, Barak. The word "government" stirs up internal pictures and preconceived (planted, actually) notions of some stand-alone volitional entity that is perceived as not only a reality but an authoritative one.

It's all fake. A game of make believe...

The reality is that it's a group of individuals who call themselves (or perhaps don't) government. It's just people. Not only that, it's just individual people. But everyone was trained up to have this spook living inside them that rears its ugly head at the mention of the word.

Abstract perception vs concrete reality.

Governmetn doesn't do things, it never has and never will because it's a fiction. (It's even referred to in legal documentation as a fictional entity)
Governments don't do things, people do.
Governments aren't responsible and won't stand before God's judgment throne, people are and will.

Those who think the excuse "I was just doing my job" or "I was just following orders" is acceptable are going to be very surprised. And very disappointed -- in themselves.
Humility and shame will overwhelm them to the point of sobbing violently. And there will be nothing that can be done about it in the way of relief.

I guess you are assuming here that the average Iraqi, Afghani or Somali is somehow less constrained by his government (such as it is) than is a member of a modern western industrial state.

Birdwatcher