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What are they? Are we winning and we just don't know it; as drug abuse will always be with us and we can only hope to keep a lid on it. Is the WOD real in the sense that all hands are on board or are we at a point where the infrastructure built to fight it is too great and self-serving by keeping it going?


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not much point, ppl that want to get stoned will find a way.......spend the money on educating minors, prosecuting those that sell to minors and helping those that see the light and want to get off the chit......we would be miles ahead.....


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You can win the battles but not the war. Physicians and "pain clinics" have pretty much taken over the trade.


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The war on drugs wasn't meant to be won. It was meant to empower government and drain the economy. What people choose to put in their bodies is their own business, and they should be free from legal liability until they actually harm or overtly endanger others. The only function the war on drugs serves is to support a gigantic illegal drug industry, and keep the dirty money flowing into the coffers of the CIA, crooked cops, and corrupt public officials, and to constantly expand, militarize, and centralize, police powers while contracting personal liberty.

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Originally Posted by SAcharlie
What are they? Are we winning and we just don't know it; as drug abuse will always be with us and we can only hope to keep a lid on it. Is the WOD real in the sense that all hands are on board or are we at a point where the infrastructure built to fight it is too great and self-serving by keeping it going?
We are doing exactly what we want to do. Putting up a show so that those in favor are happy but rolling over on the real issues that would have a meaningful impact. The border for one example.
So no, we are not winning and no it's not real in that all hands aren't on deck.


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Just like probition. Cannot win the war, but can win the skirmishes. May as well legalize it and tax it. Funny how legal things are not as attractive. It is not going away surely could kill the profit


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War on drugs has simply allowed a fair portion of law enforcement to become unaccountable to the public. Need more money -- bust a dealer, keep the cash, car, house, whatever. Laughable levels of scrutiny, supervision or accountability. Due process? Just play the "drug dealer" card.

It always surprises me that "conservatives" seem to welcome this level of government ham-fistedness. JMO, Dutch.


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laugh So we're supposed to believe no cops or public officials are being paid off? It's been a matter of public record for decades that the CIA has been heavily into the illegal drug trade (Why do you think the US military is guarding, instead of burning, opium fields in Afghanistan?). The people fighting the hardest to keep it illegal (cops and government officials) are the most suspect of corruption, in my opinion. Why else support something so obviously a huge failure, and so obviously destructive of American liberty?

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Originally Posted by Dutch
War on drugs has simply allowed a fair portion of law enforcement to become unaccountable to the public. Need more money -- bust a dealer, keep the cash, car, house, whatever. Laughable levels of scrutiny, supervision or accountability. Due process? Just play the "drug dealer" card.

It always surprises me that "conservatives" seem to welcome this level of government ham-fistedness. JMO, Dutch.
Conservatives don't.

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The war on drugs thing reminds me of a bumper sticker back in the fifties.

THE GAS WAR IS OVER
GAS WON.

I think drugs won a long time ago.


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Unfortunately, most abused drugs usually make the user unable to function well as a responsible adult. Even if taxed and legalized, many of those users would still steal to support the habit. Some drugs release the ego while snowing inhibitions. Most ER Docs, EMT's, and cops know that with some folks, mixing stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine with alcohol frequently produces a character approximating demonic evil.


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Originally Posted by Dutch
War on drugs has simply allowed a fair portion of law enforcement to become unaccountable to the public. Need more money -- bust a dealer, keep the cash, car, house, whatever. Laughable levels of scrutiny, supervision or accountability. Due process? Just play the "drug dealer" card.

It always surprises me that "conservatives" seem to welcome this level of government ham-fistedness. JMO, Dutch.



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Originally Posted by SteveG
Unfortunately, most abused drugs usually make the user unable to function well as a responsible adult. Even if taxed and legalized, many of those users would still steal to support the habit. Some drugs release the ego while snowing inhibitions. Most ER Docs, EMT's, and cops know that with some folks, mixing stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine with alcohol frequently produces a character approximating demonic evil.

Wouldn't need to steal, since it would be extremely cheap. Drug addicts don't steel them in Holland.

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Originally Posted by SteveG
Unfortunately, most abused drugs usually make the user unable to function well as a responsible adult. Even if taxed and legalized, many of those users would still steal to support the habit. Some drugs release the ego while snowing inhibitions. Most ER Docs, EMT's, and cops know that with some folks, mixing stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine with alcohol frequently produces a character approximating demonic evil.


and aint seen a law curtail any of it.....only thing ive seen make a dent is educate kids on the dangers of meth so fewer start using it...doesnt stop it but your never gonna get rid of all of it even if you start executing those that are caught using....

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A war is fought to win or it really IMHO isn't truly a war.
"The war on drugs" does not fit that description.

We see on the tube 14 cops making a tewnny dolla crack bust on a street corner, then watch a reporter ride a elephant across the border while a mariachi band plays and no enforcement show up.
Something is not right with a picture like that.

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Waste of time & money without STIFF penalties & MANDATED sentences. WITHOUT parole for the dealers & pushers.


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A conservative here, the war on drugs is evil, far more evil than drugs.


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Focus effort on the hard chit.

Around here weed ain't really hurting anyone. Not that much of a problem.

Go after the [bleep]' meth cookers.

And to an extent that's how they seem to be doing it.

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There's a War on Drugs? You'd never know it by teaching a class after lunch at an American High School that has an open campus for lunch. Might as well just have munchies and nap time till 2:00.

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