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"Throwing them into prison" has worked about as well as could be expected... which is to say, it hasn't.

Punish actions- like robbery- and hear no bitching from me. But do realize, it's at least partly the illegallity of the substances, that causes the actions, that you correctly lament.

People will always be dumbchits and that's not changing regardless of what laws you & yours might make. However- laws, especially strong ones that are enforced- have huge societal consequences. Humor me a moment. Let's say the mighty government, who you are empowering to do this, btw, decides that alchohol should be illegal. I mean, gosh golly, just look at the statistics! So now it's illegal- big time illegal. Go to jail illegal. Go to prison for a loooooong time illegal.

Okok, a whole lot of people you know would suddenly be outlaws.

So are they actually outlaws, or does common sense say otherwise? You decide.

words are sposed to mean something. aren't they?


I think we bandy about the word war too easily and freely.


imo when there's a war folks should be getting killed

if it's a WAR on drugs, kill anyone caught in possession of em

if it's a WAR on poverty, kill the po folks

if it's a WAR on terroism, kill em all, even the ones that danced in the street when they had their minor victory

if it's a WAR on illiteracy, start with the bastid that started using the word "war" as a way to get more money for social programs

the word war ain't applicable to football games or social programs imo

The improper use of the word "War" has opened up the flood gate to all the Mexicans , police and families,drug dealers and families, informers and families to be labeled as refugees from War, now we are seeing thousands of them escaping the war into Canada claiming refugee status. So yes the wrong use of a word can create havok in some countries thanks in part to our American friends who coined this word improperly.

I didn't read the thread. Best guess is I've heard it all before...

But I will tell ya'll, I was involved in the illegal drug market for quite a few years. My step dad was a drug runner in the late 70's. He was an X cop so knew all the ins and outs of the business and how to carry on without getting busted. I learned a lot. He'd bring our dope across the border and I helped distribute the product pretty regularly, not to mention consumed quite a lot of it. We weren't really interested in making a profit, just having our own consumption covered at reduced cost or, in many cases, for absolutely free!

It was GREAT!

We spent a lot of quality time together, he and I doing our drug, especially during the early spring walleye runs. We'd sit out on the lake all day long catching fish, talking about wimmens and the weather, and just basically enjoying the day and our time together while drinking our bootleg Coors.

Had ya going, didn't I

His business required he go to, or at least through, Colorado on a fairly regular schedule. He'd pick up a couple dozen cases on the way through and bring them to friends on this side of the border. Once the brewery decided to allow sales in other states our profits and our little side business petered out. Our Saturday fishing trips continued on as usual but we no longer enjoyed our beer at reduced cost and all the thrill of doing something illegal that went along with it. All the sneaking around. All the keeping things under wrap. All the after dark deliveries. Everything that made it fun... gone... Only thing we had left was reminiscing about the good old days and watch our old worn out recording of 'Smokey and the Bandit'.

I've always been curious. I wonder how many people continued to drink Coors beer after it became legally available right next to Budweiser or any other brand. I'd bet a very high percent quit Coors and went back to their regular brand. The fun was gone. And so were the profits! Dammit!



But seriously. It'd be interesting to know how many people stuck with the Coors brand after the thrill was gone.

I remember those days. We'd bring Coors up from NM when we went north. I also had a pretty bitchin' beer can collection. In the NM desert, you find OLD steel cans that were rusty on the up side, but nearly perfect on the side that was buried. And then there was Old Frothingslosh... The Pale Stale Ale with the Foam on the Bottom. Fat chick in a bikini. Let me see if I can conjure up a pic on my iPhone..............

With marketing scheme like that it's no wonder to me I've never heard of nor seen that brand of beer... lol

Interesting thing about my step dad was, while he was deliberately and very obviously dissing the legal system and law enforcement with our little side business, and made no bones about it, he had a real hard on for "illegal drugs". He especially hated pot, with a passion. He was one of those "kill 'em all" kinds through and through. Had I been the pot smoking type or the pill popping type he'd have beat me to a pulp, turned me over to authorities, testified against me and encouraged the judge to throw the book and assign max penalty. Then he'd have disowned me...

Always seemed VERY hypocritical to me...

(shrugs)

If it's a war... we lost.
And they drug dealers have won.

I was a teenager in New York State in the 70's when Gov. Rockefeller was "getting tough on drugs". People were getting fifteen year sentences for a single joint.

Didn't work, drugs were still all over the place.

Birdwatcher

Yep.

Sure would be nice to pull the rug out from under the Cartels though.

Birdwatcher

If a Doctor was prescribing that many to her, without restrictions, he should be in jail. If she took them not according to the prescription, it is still on her. miles

1.) In Holland, only cannibis is legal. Other drugs are prohibited.

2.) Once the government started taxing things, they would no longer be cheap. $70 for a carton of cigarettes???

Surrender
and then collect taxes.

Drug dealers, and users committing related crime, are the #1 complaint from citizens, demanding enforcement, at all levels. The problem is that the government is the sole provider of "enforcement" and is inept. Like every thing else they touch, it evolves into a huge bureaucracy where nothing gets done but waste money.

Those are some good points Pat. It would help if the government wasn't intent on prosecuting the good folks to the fullest extent of the law while making dammed sure that all the bad guys receive the best of treatment with detailed attentiveness to their rights not being violated in the least. I am simple enough that I still think in terms of good guys and bad guys and being able to pretty easily differentiate between them.

The WOD is lost, was lost 30 years ago.

There's no difference between druggies and drunks, just their choice in chemicals!
If one of the chemicals is legal then the other should be legal, or vice versa.
By making the drugs legal, the various levels of government can control and monitor chemical, tax it, etc.

Jim

If an adult wants to destroy his own life, who has legitimate authority to veto that decision? What if an adult decided he was going to eat to the point of being bed bound? Shouldn't there also be a law against that by your reasoning? After all, the result of doing that would be extremely bad for him. What if a restaurateur knew full well what his plan was, and was happy to provide him with all the food he wanted to eat in the process? Should the restaurateur be arrested too?

Big Plus One!

About the only thing you have to worry about someone who is pot baked is them getting cheeto dust on your uniform.

Liberals are pretty much against the war on drugs, it�s mostly the conservatives who keep it alive. But on this VERY conservative forum, after 10 pages, I see almost no support for the war on drugs, almost unanimous that it�s either a lost cause, or morally corrupt in concept. So it would appear to me that BOTH sides no longer support the war on drugs. So my question is; why are we still funding this war?

I�ll tell you why. Because the WOD gives billions to law enforcement, and the minute we decide to no longer fight the WOD, over 50% of US law enforcement funding goes right out the window. Pretty much every LE agency in America will have massive layoff�s. That�s massive layoff�s of armed individuals whom are used to being in authority. But by doing so, we clear up a moral wrong (to some) and we SAVE billions and billions of dollars.

So, at what point do we get organized and start telling our lawmakers that we no longer support the WOD, and we won�t support a lawmaker that doesn�t honor our wishes?