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Not true. With meth heads - meth is their drug of choice. They make it - just because they can and it's a cheap way to get a whole bunch.

What do you think that someone that likes speed is going to use instead of meth?

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Here's my two cents on legalization of pot. YES - legalize it. End the flow of weed from Mexico and the associated violence. Things right now are changing.

Pot has become so abundent from legal and illegal growing operations in California that it's dirt cheap. A friend of a friend in California is growing it to supplement his income and now he has a hard time selling it (at any price) because there's too much of it around. The going price - $1000.00 a pound for indoor hydro grown high THC content buds.

Don't pm me asking about gettin' some either. Ain't gonna happen. Trafficking drugs is not my bag - Dood.

Leagalize it, tax it and it will become readily available. The demand for black market weed will be greatly diminished and that's where the violence is. The violence, at least with pot, is limited to the people, gangs and smugglers that deal in very large amounts. Take away the motive for illegal profit and the violence and the costs of imprisoning drug offenders will drop cosiderably. Sure, maybe somebody will rob a dispensery but no it's different than robbing a liquor store.

Wiil there be repercussions to society at large? I don't think so. If you want to smoke pot - you can find it - legal or not.

FWIW, I don't think other drugs should be legalized or there be end to war on illicit drugs. It's a plague on society.

I knew you wuz a closet pot head, fish head.

To no one in particular but does anyone know what the sin tax on alcohol vs cigarettes is?

If UncSam has his way the tax will be more along the lines of cigarettes and the black market will very well still exist.

With all the drivel that spews out of your mouth I've often wondered about you ........

Jus sayin'

Wtf? There are laws against the manufacture of dangerous substances already besides just the liability after something happens. So there is a three pronged attack against your argument here. One being that if it is legal it will be cheaper and/or easier to obtain and the meth heads won't bother cooking it. Two, the financial liability to endangering your community and three the legal liability for doing so.

You can't readily manufacture cocaine and heroin out of raw materials here in the states or it would already be being done just like Meth and Pot.

I'm thinking your typical meth producer isn't going to be the type to carry homeowners insurance so civil/financial liability is out the door. Maybe if he was bigtime and managed to keep from using, he may have some cash stashed.

That WAS correct Keven, but shortly after 911, all funding for narcotics enforcement dried up at the local and State levels. It was redirected as "Homeland Security" grants. I'm not saying the money isn't getting wasted, to a large extent, but that the money is just not in the dope business anymore...at least not for government.

You're thinking in terms of the present legal environment of illegality. Once legal, it will be manufactured cheaply by regulated companies who will be able to do it more cheaply due to mass manufacture facilities.

Pat,

Question for ya.

What is Homeland Security grant money supossed to be spent on at a local law enforcement level?

I can see funding for airports or border related issues but you'd think chasing international terrorists would be at the federal level.

Isn't that what Homeland security is all about?

I know I'm missing something here. Maybe.

Once legal? ... WTF ... You're whacked out if you think meth should be legally produced.

Who do you think that's in their right mind would ever support making it legal? ... I'm curious. ...

The international banking cartel?

And you're assuming gov will keep taxes low enough unlike sin taxes on cigarettes.

I assume you mean federal only. $1.01 per pack on cigarettes and nickle per can of beer, 21 cents per bottle of wine. http://www.ttb.gov/tax_audit/atftaxes.shtml
Alcohol tax generates about $6b per year.

So, what do you figger the tax on a pack of joints would be?

Curious minds and all .....

Thanks. I pretty much thought the tax on cigarettes would be far greater.

There is a huge plus side to the economy if pot is legalized. Junk food sales like doritios/cheetos/and tacos would go through the roof. Frito Lay would make a killing.

There are numerous grants directed at homeland security at the local level. Unfortunately I know all about them. None of them involve "chasing" terrostist but go directly toward protecting critical infrastructure. In our case, that involves refineries, ports and bridges that span important waterways. I'll pull up some expendature info and post it when I can find it.

It's all here...if you can find it!

http://www.grants.gov/applicants/recovery.jsp

LEGAL Meth production ???????

"more cheaply due to mass manufacture facilities." !!!!

You're well on your way to a solid KOTY Award for 2011 TRH.

I can't believe I just read that chit.

GTC

You sound like the old biddies who pushed for alcohol Prohibition and lamented that, if repealed, demon rum would ruin the country and destroy lives. Well, yeah, certain folks will always find one way or another to ruin their lives. That's the price of freedom, i.e., you are free both to make good and bad decisions for your own life. Additionally, the problems caused to our society by drugs being legal are far outweighed by those caused by them being illegal. That said, show me in the US Constitution where the power is delegated to the Federal Government to regulate what we choose voluntarily to place into our bodies, or aren't you a believer in the rule of law? These are all state matters under our system of dual sovereignty, not national ones. If the majority in your town wish to outlaw drugs, or your county, or state, that's fine with me. What I oppose is monolithic governance and laws, especially laws that aren't within the purview of powers delegated to the national government.

We need to fight those too. Most such Federal taxes are violations of the Constitution falsely justified under the Commerce Clause. But even leaving your premise intact, there aren't a lot of folks getting into gun fights over cigarettes and alcohol, i.e., the prices are still within the reach of even homeless folks, taxes and all.