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TRH,

What are doing callin' me an old biddy?

Keep it up and I'll sic the entire merry band of turdlike people on you.

lol I agree with ya on that.

yep. so there you have it. a "model" to develop, learn from, and to further tweak and optimize.

local self-reliance being augmented by what the legal medical profession demands. why not ensure it's truly "organically" grown unless otherwise posted. it wouldn't have to be, not all of it. but, i'd want to know, if i were a consumer, what the plant material had been exposed to in terms of chemical pesticides.

but that's just me.

I'm done for. Your razor wit has cut my arguments to ribbons, sir. I concede defeat.

legalize drugs and you immediately create another dependent group the government will have to be responsible for, another protected class for discrimination litigation, and another group who must be accommodated under the ADA.....and I'm sure lots of other consequences I'm not even thinking of yet.

if drugs are legal, you can't discriminate against people who fail a drug test. think about that....and its implications for....oh....say....pilots, truck drivers, surgeons....you get the idea?

They already have testing labs in California for just that sort of thing.

Dudette....are you telling us that the brainpower you have left and use on this forum hasn't been altered/damaged due to drugs/alcohol/tobacky in any way that would be defined as reckless or possibly damaging to one's mind?

Wow!

yep. once again, it's better to regulate a substance than to ban it outright. we have speedlimits, axle weights, number of legal driving hours, etc. so people who fly planes have to test "zero tolerance" for alcohol, any other mind or physically altering effects.

it's kinda like ya can't give blood if you have cold, or flu, etc.etc. it would have to be managed. right now, it's filling the coffers of the illegal drug dealers and whomever else benefits from the fallout.

No thanks.

1. Alaska
2. Arizona
3. California
4. Colorado
5. DC
6. Hawaii
7. Maine
8. Michigan
9. Montana
10. Nevada
11. New Jersey
12. New Mexico
13. Oregon
14. Rhode Island
15. Vermont
16. Washington

i don't keep up with the stuff. is that 16 for or against? certainly it's not 50 for or against. on a county by county basis, i guess it's even more diverse.

States that allow medical marijuana use/sales.

Your stupidity and hatred for the armed forces knows no bounds. Calling you stupid, gives stupid people a bad name. Oinions are like [bleep], everybody has one and they stink, yours however is particularly fetid.

I don't follow ya on this. Is an alcoholic protected under the ADA? If a person has a DUI ya either can't employ them by law or don't have to hire them by company policy...right?

At present drug screen failure is the same consequence. How would that change?

Jorge I did see in print somewhere that before the Afgan war production there was ~10% of world production and now is ~90%. Prior or maybe during Russian invasion it was high also. What do ya know bout this?

I hate corruption, not members of the armed forces, who for the most part I admire. I also hate nobly-intentioned members of the armed forces being used for corrupt purposes with little regard for the value of their lives.

Gus may be on to something, but I doubt if it what he intended.

States where medical marijuana is legal.
1. Alaska
2. Arizona
3. California
4. Colorado
5. DC
6. Hawaii
7. Maine
8. Michigan
9. Montana
10. Nevada
11. New Jersey
12. New Mexico
13. Oregon
14. Rhode Island
15. Vermont
16. Washington



States with highest average income.


1 Maryland
2 New Jersey
3 Connecticut
4 Alaska
5 Hawaii
6 Massachusetts
7 New Hampshire
8 Virginia
District of Columbia
9 California
10 Delaware
11 Washington
12 Minnesota
13 Colorado
14 Utah
15 New York
16 Rhode Island
17 Illinois
18 Nevada
19 Wyoming
20 Vermont
21 Wisconsin
22 Pennsylvania
23 Arizona
24 Oregon
25 Texas
26 Iowa
27 North Dakota
28 Kansas
29 Georgia
30 Nebraska
31 Maine
32 Indiana
33 Ohio
34 Michigan
35 Missouri
36 South Dakota
37 Idaho
38 Florida
39 North Carolina
40 New Mexico
41 Louisiana
42 South Carolina
43 Montana
44 Tennessee
45 Oklahoma
46 Alabama
47 Kentucky
48 Arkansas
49 West Virginia
50 Mississippi

Sure don't but it would not surprise me if it is higher now, but to insinuate (not you) that members of the US Armed Forces are actually "protecting" Poppy Fields I find reprehesible. jorge

jorge, your not really surprised that the usual conspiracy soaked subjects here would say or even think that are you ?

i'll have to leave it to the statisticians and other analysts to state what all of this stuff means.

but, it looks like, at a quick glance that the most "affluent" states are most engaged in allowing pot for medicine. ??? i don't really know, for sure.

my thoughts were that local small farmers, engaging in both organic and chemical production of saleable marijuana would help local economies. meanwhile, less expensive LE would be needed, since it was no longer a war going on, but a process to enable local, legal, pot production.

in context, if the Federal budgets must be reduced, then this changeover offers a conversion from cost to positive revenue for local communities who are struggling through these hard economic times.

there's likely plenty of crime for LE to be involved with beyond the drug issues. noone should ever feel threatened by a potential lack of work scenario. LE will be needed until the end of times, no doubt.

The "war on drugs" - is as misguided as any war in history - and a bigger failure than any of them.

Will we ever learn? Anyone who's ever studied the history of the prohibition - knows how futile that way of thinking is - at least when it comes to prohibiting people from doing what they want to do.

To start, I think we need to immediately totally legalize cannabis. If anyone wants to - they should be able to grow what ever amount they want to. Every smoker can have his plants. The bottom will fall out of the market - organized crime will loose their biggest source of revenue, and soon afterwards - it will cease to be profitable to grow. It's often the cannabis trade that finances the harder stuff. It gets traded for harder stuff.

With the hard drugs - and this is radical - I think we should stop trying to treat use as a crime - and start treating it's use as a societal problem.

The great majority of hard-drug users are the poorest and most vulnerable and desperate members of society. They need help - not prison time.

In some countries (like Norway) they can go to a medical center - and get their drug - for free. There, professionals, will help them, guide them, monitor them and council them. The only place they can get their free drugs - is to attend the sessions designed to help them get their lives together.

You might still end up with a junkie - but now you have a junkie living within society - instead of having a junkie that needs to expose themselves and others to HIV/AIDS, Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis etc. They won't have to prostitute themselves, they won't have to steal hundreds of dollars per day to support their habit and they won't have do do anything illegal to exist. But - at least they'd have hope.

I know this type of thinking doesn't sit well with some conservatives. It's easier to say "kill 'em all" which will never happen anyways, and when the time comes that it's your relative or friend that they're talking about killing - then your views will change - and they change damn fast.

According to most studies - the severity of the sentence - is unrelated to the law's effectiveness in diminishing drug use. Virtually every study on the drug trade shows that. Countries with mandatory death sentences - have as much addiction problems as counties with lax laws.

The only countries that seem to actually be reducing hard drug use - are the ones that treat addiction as an illness, and as a societal problem. The societies with the most people locked up in prisons - are the same societies that presently have the biggest drug problems.

In Vancouver, for example, they now have "shooting galleries" where the heroin addicts can do their drugs. While they are there, they get counseling, guidance and medical care.

But, because they still have to prostitute themselves - or steal - to buy those same drugs - the programs today in Canada aren't as efficient as they could be. But - even as they are designed - it's a start in the right direction. And - interestingly enough - even the beat cops on the downtown east side, see those sites as part of the solution.

Our societies have just about perfected what doesn't work.

It's time we tried some radical new ideas - and tried to find what does work.