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Unless it concerns drug use, homosexuality, abortion, religion, conscription etc. - correct? On those issues - conservatives ALWAYS seem to always want to regulate other people.

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No,...you're wrong.

They're leftists.

They might fly the conservative banner,...but when they start digging into people's personal business, they establish themselves as leftists,...regardless of what their T-shirts say.

Conservatives don't fug with people's personal liberties. [/quote]

I don't disagree with your definitions but just wondering if there are any conservative countries anywhere according to that definition?

Again,...they're not conservatives.

The term has a very defined meaning.

Those who make the attempt to establish themselves as conservatives while dictating acceptable modes of behavior for the general populace are leftist tyrants and their ignorant ass syncophants.

,...and there's lots of them out there.

Then - according to your own explanation of things - guys like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Glen Beck, George Bush, Pat Buchanon and gals like Sarah Palin - are "leftists"?

You are straining credulity now...

leftism - a radical or liberal position or doctrine, especially in politics. � leftist (liberalism) 1. a political or social philosophy advocating the f reedom of the individual, parliamentary legislatures, governmental assurances of civil liberties and individual rights, and nonviolent modification of institutions to permit continued individual and social progress.

Of course they are.

Do they strike you as small government kinda people?

There's only a handful of conservatives in America,..and they fly the libertarian banner.

The rest of the talking heads are hard core, imperialist leftists.

Buchanan might get a pass,...

He's starting to come around.

Most folks with simple possession amount of MJ aren't arrested. It's a citable offense in this state, as in many others. Pay a fine and have a nice day. The drug folks that are getting locked up are those who are manufacturing or possessing felony weight of drugs. In the vast majority of states child molesters are hunted hard. They're investigated and prosecuted. It puts LE in a bad legal position, if action isn't taken in these types of situations.

thats not exactly what i meant but i understand what you are saying and dont disagree....

what i was getting at was to those saying just put a bullet in the head of the junkies.....most think its a great solution if no one in your family is one.....

were my brother to rape gal i would give the chick a bat and help hold my brother down till she is satisfied....were he to rob someone i wouldnt stand in the way of him getting locked up.....but him just liking to get stoned on heroin and does nothing eles to hurt anyone, doesnt steal to support his habit, doesnt get behind the wheel and kill someone? no way i could shoot the [bleep], hell cant even figure on putting him in jail over it.....

i hate meth and i hate tweekers but so long as they aint stealing chit or killing anyone i couldnt put a bullet in their head.....if i aint willing to do it to my flesh and blood for a similar situation i wouldnt do it to a stranger....

Lots of that.

The definition of leftism is that philosophy of government which prefers central control, monolithic law, and collective solutions. Those fighting for stricter, centrally determined, drug laws are leftists, not rightists. Rightism is a philosophy of government which prefers local and diverse solutions, preferring privately arranged solutions to publicly arranged ones, but if it must be public, it ought to be local, and diverse from one locality to the next. Rightism opposes central/collective/monolithic solutions handled through government and prefers most things be handled privately and/or locally.

The idea that Stalinism is leftist and Hitlerianism is rightist was a concoction of leftist intellectuals in anticipation of a universal condemnation of leftism that would have otherwise followed WWII. Since the left controlled higher education, they succeeded in obfuscating what had once been a very simple concept to understand. They did it through the fantastical and nonsensical model of the circular left/right political continuum, according to which Hitler's form of a centrally controlled, police state, society was of the right while Stalin's was of the left, a concept that only makes sense (left vs right wing politics, that is) when considered lineally, but which if considered lineally places both Hitler and Stalin on the same side of the scale, i.e., both on the far left. The opposite of a leftist like a Hitler, in other words, would more nearly be someone like a Patrick Henry (a far right winger), not a Joe Stalin who properly belongs at about the same position on the left/right scale as Hitler.