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I've only killed 4 elk with mine, but all were one shot boom flops and the distances were 425, 330, 210 and 85 yards. Shot placement was perfect on 2, not so good on 2 (offhand on the 210 shot, strong crosswind on the 425). I've killed elk with .243, .25-06, .264 Win, 7mmSAUM, .280AI, .300 Win. and they all die if the bullet is in the right spot. We have some huge bodied Rosevelts over here though and I love the way the .338 puts the smack on them.
That .338-378 is a beast. Have you tried the 250 AB in it?
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I've only killed 4 elk with mine, but all were one shot boom flops and the distances were 425, 330, 210 and 85 yards. Shot placement was perfect on 2, not so good on 2 (offhand on the 210 shot, strong crosswind on the 425). I've killed elk with .243, .25-06, .264 Win, 7mmSAUM, .280AI, .300 Win. and they all die if the bullet is in the right spot. We have some huge bodied Rosevelts over here though and I love the way the .338 puts the smack on them.
That .338-378 is a beast. Have you tried the 250 AB in it? ...........Not yet! I have some 225s I`ll go through first. Using H1000 and Retumbo for starters.
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Hello everyone. I would like to get a new Elk rifle but for the first time in my life I am not sure what gun / cartridge to get. I feel like my wife when she is looking for a pair of shoes in the shoe store. I have a rifle that I have been using for years on Elk, it works but is a bit lack luster in the take down dept, so I am looking for a bit more knock down in this new rifle. My concern is that I am missing or not considering options out there because I am unaware of them. So I am hoping you all may have some ideas. So far the only two things I am certain on is that I want stainless and would prefer synthetic stock. I have been looking at the following cartridges .325wsm, 8mm Rem Mag, .338 win or UM. I have looked at the Ruger All weather and the Browning A-bolt, but to be honest I have never even seen an A-bolt in use so it hard to form an opinion based on first hand use. Really I am so frusterated, I would like to have it bought and up for the 2011 season so I need to make a decision and get to work on it. So please any ideas suggestions and advice would be great, thanks for your time helping me out. I would recommend a Mannlicher Pro Hunter in Stainless in 300 Winny. You can find (but very rare) one in 8x57. I missed my chance a couple of years ago on GB. Keep your eyes peeled as they show up occasionally. .243 Win 6,5x55 SE .25-06 Rem .270 Win 7 mm-08 Rem .308 Win .30-06 Spr. magnum-caliber: .300 Win. Mag. 7 mm WSM* .270 WSM* .300 WSM*
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On the assumption that you plan to hunt in Wyoming (we live in Pinedale) you don't need a cannon or a sniper wannabe rifle. Don't know your budget but if Low: an older 700BDL in 7mm remmag with VX III 2.5-8 Leupold Middle: A SAKO or Kimber in 300 WinMag or 338 WinMag with the same scope or upgrade to a Zeiss, Nightforce or Kahles Big Bucks: Dakota with Schmidt or Swaro in 300/338WM Now all that said you can kill any Elk that walks (on the assumption you are a hunter) with a Marlin XL 30-06 and a 4X Weaver and Remington softpoint factory ammo. There is more BS about Elk hunting (mostly written by experts who have never killed one).... second only to Antelope "experts". These killed our last three: 1932 RF Sedgley Springfield, 400 Whelen, 2.5x Leupold Alaskan, 350 gr X, 250 yds 1809 Baker British Military flinter 1.2 ounce .61 cal cast bullet, 80 gr FFG, 18 paces R-1 Benelli, 300 Winmag, 168 TSX, 2.5-10x32 Nightforce, 280 yards. The best one was taken with the flinter...... ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN1812.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN1955.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN3062.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/09elk.jpg)
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WyoXJ: I recommend the Remington 700 SPS Stainless in caliber 7mm Remington Magnum!
These SPS Rifles are lightweight and rugged have great triggers, are very accurate and are very economical.
For Wyoming country I would also recommend a Leupold silver finish scope and either handloads or factory ammo that features the wonderfully accurate and lethal Nosler 160 grain Partition bullets!
I have used the 7mm Remington Magnum and the Nosler 160's for much of my Elk Hunting for the last 25 years and am VERY impressed with them.
Best of luck to you with whichever you choose.
Hold into the wind
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I'd look at a new Winchester Model 70 EW in .325 WSM. I'm not exactly a huge fan of the short mags but this one should thump nearly as well on the business end as a .338 Winny but should be noticeably kinder to your shoulder.
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Killer, you are correct with good shot placement, you can kill an elk with any medium to large caliber cartridge. Anything from a 264 Win to a one of the 300 Mags will work fine.
I've taken two elk in AZ and NM both with a muzzle loader but "my" elk rifle is a Browning Stainless Stalker in 7mm Mag. Distance and especially wind are you biggest factors in having good shot placement. In general faster flying heavier bullets tend to have less wind drift. Pick a rifle that you can shoot well and know how drop and wind at the ranges you will shoot and you'll be good to go.
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325 wsm is what I use. Kimber 8400 Montana. .75 to 1 inch groups at 100 yards Recoil is very managable even in this light short action rifle. Definatly a handloader round as a box of shells runs about 50-60 bucks and very few offerings avaible.
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On the assumption that you plan to hunt in Wyoming (we live in Pinedale) you don't need a cannon or a sniper wannabe rifle. Don't know your budget but if Low: an older 700BDL in 7mm remmag with VX III 2.5-8 Leupold Middle: A SAKO or Kimber in 300 WinMag or 338 WinMag with the same scope or upgrade to a Zeiss, Nightforce or Kahles Big Bucks: Dakota with Schmidt or Swaro in 300/338WM Now all that said you can kill any Elk that walks (on the assumption you are a hunter) with a Marlin XL 30-06 and a 4X Weaver and Remington softpoint factory ammo. There is more BS about Elk hunting (mostly written by experts who have never killed one).... second only to Antelope "experts". These killed our last three: 1932 RF Sedgley Springfield, 400 Whelen, 2.5x Leupold Alaskan, 350 gr X, 250 yds 1809 Baker British Military flinter 1.2 ounce .61 cal cast bullet, 80 gr FFG, 18 paces R-1 Benelli, 300 Winmag, 168 TSX, 2.5-10x32 Nightforce, 280 yards. The best one was taken with the flinter...... Is the flinter an original or a reproduction? Nice looking rifle BTW.
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I would add a Weatherby Vanguard stainless/synthetic in 300 Weatherby Mag for about $400 new under the low category, but think that used Rem BDL in 7mm Rem Mag is a great choice also!
Regards,
Chuck
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Select the gun you shot the best. Shot placement is more important than caliber. If you have some friends with different caliber ask to see if they will let you shoot them. The question is how much recoil can you accurately shoot after hiking up a mountain to shoot across the canyon?
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Select the gun you shot the best. Shot placement is more important than caliber. If you have some friends with different caliber ask to see if they will let you shoot them. The question is how much recoil can you accurately shoot after hiking up a mountain to shoot across the canyon? I think the recoil question is a good one, but if it bothers you it will bother you from the bench first, which will be reflected when you shoot it in the field. If you're recoil sensitive get a 270 Winchester, shoot lots of varmints or targets with those lovely Sierra 90g HPs at around 3200 fps (a light load) and shoot a premium 150g bullet (Nosler Partition IMO) at 2900 fps or a little better for elk. It kills them like lightning out to 400 yards, never shot an elk any further so can't tell you how it works out to 500 ...
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if you are getting stainless then you need to get a remington sendero or a remington 700ti depending on which weight you want.
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I'd look at a new Winchester Model 70 EW in .325 WSM. I'm not exactly a huge fan of the short mags but this one should thump nearly as well on the business end as a .338 Winny but should be noticeably kinder to your shoulder. The .325 indeed whacks elk with authority, and indeed kicks a bit less than a .338.
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Select the gun you shot the best. Shot placement is more important than caliber. If you have some friends with different caliber ask to see if they will let you shoot them. The question is how much recoil can you accurately shoot after hiking up a mountain to shoot across the canyon? Hmm, I'm still trying to decide why he's directed his statement towards me. Are you asking me which rifle I shoot the best after hiking up a mountain? Do you want me to ask my friends if I can borrow their rifles? I've got more rifles than all my friends put together so I don't think that will work??? Do I have the option of shooting off a pack or stump or do you want me to offhand it?? How far will I be shooting??? Will anyone else be shooting and will money be involved??? Beer??? I'm puzzled.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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This sort of thread, regardless of which type forum, is always good for 50-500 responses with 50-500 opinions.
When a man wants a new gun, he just has to go get it. I've done it many times.
I know a guy or two who have killed everything I ever hunted with a 30-06. You definitely are not undergunned.
I have killed a few elk with a 7mag, but I got a lot better performance out of 175 partition rather than 160s. For some reason the drop at 300 was significantly less for the 175. Gotta feedem what they like.
That said, the last 20 years I have considered my gun to be 338WM, with Nosler 210s. Only had one case where I had to shoot twice, but I was lucky enough that all the shots were well placed.
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When a man wants a new gun, he just has to go get it. I like that answer.
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