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Oh, but EC, as a very wise individual once said, "Whereas a .357 caliber bullet may expand, a .45 never shrinks." Why do you suppose that elite tactical units almost always insist on a .45, and not a .357 Sig or Magnum? There are certain circumstances which hinder bullet expansion, and these units require a big hole ever time, without exception. That's were the .45 shines. It's 230 grain bullet provides planty of momentum for pushing that big fat slug deep, and the hole it makes is always at least .45 caliber. With something like the .230 grain Hydrashok, the hole can be even bigger and uglier, while penetration (due to good weight retention) remains perfectly adequate. Just thought that I'd point out that the Elite Tactical Units that I deal with everyday out here in Afghanistan do indeed have 357sig's mags, 9mm's, and 45's. Personally, and that's all this argument actually boils down to (personal preference) I'll take the 357 over the 45 if I had a choice. All things being the same, you can carry more rounds per mag in 357 than you can in 45 and they both kill with equal efficiency. But alas, this thread wasn't about caliber as much as it was about the Gun itself. I hold to the fact that the BEST combat and CCW gun out there is the one you PERSONALLY are most proficient and comfortable with. Personally, I don't like the 1911's and will never own another one, but that's just me. A high capacity 1911 can hold 14 in the mag and 1 the the chamber for a total of 15. I like those odds and i have one of those too, a springfield xd. loaded with two spare clips it is a real good reason to wear suspenders.
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And there are people like me, who love the 1911, and would never not own one, but who can't hit [bleep] with it.
So, no, I can't throw the rest away.
- Tom
I can't fault anyone for liking them. They are indeed classics! Just a classic that isn't for me is all. Again, personal preference, and I like that many like yourself like things that I don't. Variety is a spice of life! Doc: I like having a 1911, the way some people like having a Luger. I take it to the range and I punch paper with it, although not very well. But there's just something very satisfying about the chunka-chunka motion, and the great pumpkin rolling out the end, and the nostalgia and daydreams and such. That's all. I don't mix romance and business, and I have other things for business. - Tom
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Interesting historical fact. The first combat the 1911 saw was when we chased Pancho Villa back into Mexico. Perhaps we ought to use it to do it all over again.  I'll drink to that Sir! Me too.
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Once you go 1911 you never go back. ........except when you do....grin. Guilty. I've carried a full sized, all steel, 1911 off and on since the early 1980s, without problem, sometimes for years on end uninterrupted. But I guess I'm getting old, and my skin a bit more sensitive, because last summer I developed a skin irritation on the opposite side of may waist band. I was forced to give it up for a lighter gun. Might try it again in the future, though. I'm thinking of potential solutions.
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When you have discovered perfection (which I did almost 30 years ago), you need search no further. The Government Model .45 is the ideal gun for personal defense at home and carried concealed. It is chambered for the most perfect of combat rounds, the .45 ACP, rated number one in one shot stops, and known the world over as a top-notch fight stopper. It's recoil is mild enough for all but the most recoil-sensative to master, and it is so nice and slim that it fits perfectly in an IWB holster, easily concealed with a light jacket, sweater or untucked shirt. If you require lightweight and compact, there are aluminum-framed commander-length models available. The Government Model .45 is also increadibly rugged and reliable, assuming 1) you don't buy a bargain basement rendition, and 2) you learn proper maintenance. So throw away all of your Berettas, Sigs, and whatnots. All you need is a Colt .45 Automatic. P.S., Just thought I'd try to liven up the conversation around here. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> All I can add to that is 45 SEMI-Automatic & AMEN !!!
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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When you have discovered perfection (which I did almost 30 years ago), you need search no further. The Government Model .45 is the ideal gun for personal defense at home and carried concealed. It is chambered for the most perfect of combat rounds, the .45 ACP, rated number one in one shot stops, and known the world over as a top-notch fight stopper. It's recoil is mild enough for all but the most recoil-sensative to master, and it is so nice and slim that it fits perfectly in an IWB holster, easily concealed with a light jacket, sweater or untucked shirt. If you require lightweight and compact, there are aluminum-framed commander-length models available. The Government Model .45 is also increadibly rugged and reliable, assuming 1) you don't buy a bargain basement rendition, and 2) you learn proper maintenance. So throw away all of your Berettas, Sigs, and whatnots. All you need is a Colt .45 Automatic. P.S., Just thought I'd try to liven up the conversation around here. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> All I can add to that is 45 SEMI-Automatic & AMEN !!! I guess they will have to change the name of the cartridge it fires, then. Since 1911 (and even a few years before), it's been called .45 ACP, i.e., Automatic Colt Pistol.
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For those of us who can't make up their mind between a revolver or a 1911. There is a solution to the problem. It is designated as the S&W Model 625. It is a revolver which fires the 45 ACP cartridge and then you have the best of both worlds. You can have target sights and trigger right out of the box, as well as the reliability of a revolver. No stovepipes or jams, no matter if you shoot HP or cast lead. If a round doesn't fire you only need to pull the trigger to get a fresh round under the hammer.
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whelenut... funny you should mention it... I recently acquired a Model 625-4. This is my third 45 ACP Model 625 (both of its predecessors are long gone in other gun trade/buy/deals) in that caliber. I probably will keep this one, just because it's fun to have and shoot. Although I can't imagine carrying it when I have N-frame revolvers in more versatile chamberings. I have a Model 25 and a Model 625 Mountain Gun both chambered in 45 Colt, and a Model 29 and Model 629 Mountain Gun chambered in 44 Mag. If I'm gonna carry a roscoe that big, I'm gonna want it carry full-power loads, not those little 45 ACP buggers.
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Loaded with 255/260 grain flat point hard cast at 900 to 1000 FPS those little 45 ACP buggers wil put a lot of hurt on any target
I know that you don't believe that there is any difference between a 45 ACP and a 357 mag in gun fights, but my hunting experience with both tell me something different and that is why I make mine a properly loade 45
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Loaded with 255/260 grain flat point hard cast at 900 to 1000 FPS those little 45 ACP buggers wil put a lot of hurt on any target
One word... pressure. For me, I'm throwing nothing away. And I am for sure not gonna beat a good firearm to death with over-pressure loads. The proper tool for the proper job.
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Loaded with 255/260 grain flat point hard cast at 900 to 1000 FPS those little 45 ACP buggers wil put a lot of hurt on any target
One word... pressure. For me, I'm throwing nothing away. And I am for sure not gonna beat a good firearm to death with over-pressure loads. The proper tool for the proper job. What about pressure? If you notice I replied to a post where the cartirdge is being used in a revolver and as suck can easily digest the pressure. Infact 1 of my loading manuels list heavier loads for the 45 acp in revolver nad has seperate load data for the semi auto guns
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Sure, using the .45ACP rimmed in a revolver is a better platform for the heavies at max velocity.
But the gol-durn thread is about 1911's.
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Sure, using the .45ACP rimmed in a revolver is a better platform for the heavies at max velocity.
But the gol-durn thread is about 1911's.
The 45 ACP is a beeter way to go with moon clips, faster reloads 1911's can me adjusted to handel the pressure ie, 45 Super and Rowland. The rowland operates at a rather high pressure
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When heavy lifting needs to be done, it should be done with the proper tool. The hot loaded 1911 ain't that tool.
But to each their own.
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When heavy lifting needs to be done, it should be done with the proper tool. The hot loaded 1911 ain't that tool.But to each their own. Says who, you?
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I'm quite certain I am not alone in understanding that fact.
El' Jefe NEVER promoted heavies at max velocity. NEVER.
Notice I am NOT saying the standard .45ACP is insufficient for its intended use, human combat.
Hot rod them all you want.
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I'm quite certain I am not alone in understanding that fact.El' Jefe NEVER promoted heavies at max velocity. NEVER.
Notice I am NOT saying the standard .45ACP is insufficient for its intended use, human combat.
Hot rod them all you want.
The problem is you don't understand. It is no trick to ensure that the lock up on a 1911 stays locked as long as the pivot link with allow and to install an 18.5 pound recoil spring and shoot 45 Supers. I shoot 45 Super in my 1911's with this method and experience ZERO problems a 255/160 grain bullet at near 1100 FPS will leave a mark
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You got it half right THR. For ME the most versatile handgun is the 1911 in 10mm. Properly sprung it is easy to shoot with 180 gr JHP's at 1150 fps. Flat shooting, excellent SD, an honest 100 yard pistol on your hip. ![[Linked Image]](http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o196/rkamp_111/IMG_0017-1.jpg)
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Yep the 10mm works just fine in a 1911 even with it's 30,000+ PSI operating pressure
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Sure, using the .45ACP rimmed in a revolver is a better platform for the heavies at max velocity.
But the gol-durn thread is about 1911's.
![[Linked Image]](http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/jimk55359/Dad2011006.jpg) With full moon clips you don't need the rimmed cases. I thought the goldurn thread was about .45 ACP. With 5.5 grs of Unique and a 244 gr. hard cast flat nose I am getting 822 fps from a four inch barrel. Not maximum but a safe shootable load that will tip over bowling pins and whatever. No stovepipes ever! No feeding issues and clips are about a buck apiece! I don't need to defend myself if I am 100 yds away from the target according to the State Law I have to pay heed to. My house isn't that big anyway. I can defend myself while waiting for the coroner to show up.
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
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