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I am semi-retired and, like most of us, my retirement savings took a hit when the economy went into the toilet. I like to hunt elk more than anything else, and anyone who has read my posts knows that I have only been able to draw one elk tag in my home state of New Mexico in the last 15 years. If I could get a New Mexico bull tag for the $550 or so that I pay in Colorado, I can assure you that I would be hunting New Mexico each year.

So far, the increase in nonresident fees in Colorado has not put me out of the game. This is my one personal "extravagance" each year. The fact that I can still get a tag in Colorado every year and play the game again will keep me coming back until I am too old to hunt. I can no longer afford to apply in multiple states, but I can budget for a Colorado elk hunt each year.

The expense of drawing a tag and hunting elk in Montana comes to about twice what it costs me to do the same in Colorado. It also takes an extra week to go and return. Even if I stay with friends in Montana, the cost in time and money is not something that I can handle every year. I will probably hunt Montana and Idaho once again before I quit, but I will continue to rely on Colorado for my annual elk safari.


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Hunting here without private land access is a waste of time and money, still if our wonderful DOW can sustain themselves selling OoS elk tags to people wanting to hunt their patchwork public access....... keeps our license cost$ down.


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I've hunted deer in Colorado faithfully for many years, but I've never bought an elk tag. The quality vs the price tag just isn't there, and I could have killed a legal bull every year I've been there.

Not saying Colorado is out of line with their prices, when compared to other western states they are in line, and sometimes a bargain..Still aint worth it, to me anyway.

The beauty of Colorado for most guys, is you can show up and buy a tag..Thats getting pretty rare. If Colorado was my only option for elk, I'd change my tune..I'd have to say the opportunity every year would be worth the cost.

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You can't get private access now and the DOW wants to increase the numbers of hunters on already crowded public land. Why don't they open the access up on private land. I have complained about several areas I have hunted in the last 20 years in Colorado about the rancher closing access during hunting season. Doesn't do any good, they continue to close access to public land and the forest service/DOW don't care.


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Originally Posted by rgrx1276
I vowed to not hunt Colorado anymore after my camp was run over at night by a herd of steers outside Guunison. Damn cows were supposed to be off the NF and weren't. Then to top it off they had grazed all of the meadows down to dirt, and there was little browse left for the wild animals.



Don't get me started on the FS and BLM's lack of enforcment when it comes to livestock grazing..........




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Originally Posted by DayPacker
You can't get private access now and the DOW wants to increase the numbers of hunters on already crowded public land. Why don't they open the access up on private land. I have complained about several areas I have hunted in the last 20 years in Colorado about the rancher closing access during hunting season. Doesn't do any good, they continue to close access to public land and the forest service/DOW don't care.


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But the best hunting on public land is often behind the private land--one just has to make the effort to go the long way around--and rarely can it be done via motorized vehicle...........



I love it when I find private land that provides difficult access to public land--it increases my opportunity............



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DENVER � After years of watching sales of elk licenses slide, Colorado wildlife officials are launching a nationwide ad campaign to bring more hunters to the state.

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Colorado Division of Wildlife Director Tom Remington discusses the nationwide campaign to boost sales of elk-hunting licenses in the state. He says the goal is to stop a steep slide in license sales over the past five years and to support Colorado communities that depend on hunting. The computer shows an online site that will be available today.

The trick will be convincing people who pay hundreds of dollars for a nonresident hunting license in some states that the 23 million acres of public land and 300,000 elk in Colorado are the best in the West.

�We have exceptional elk hunting. It�s very good in many of the western states,� said Al Langston of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. �It�s up to the hunter to decide what system fits.�

The Colorado Division of Wildlife gets about two-thirds of its $110 million budget from hunting and fishing licenses, but sales of elk licenses in Colorado dropped by more than 37,000 from 2005 to 2009, with revenue falling by about $8 million in that time, Director Tom Remington said.

About 229,000 limited draw and over-the-counter licenses were sold in 2009, with thousands left unsold.

Joe Lewandowski, a DOW spokesman in Durango, said the decline in the number of elk hunters is general across the state.

�The decline is overall,� he said. �Breaking down the numbers by areas would take a long time.�

The division largely doesn�t get money from the state�s general fund, drawing instead from lottery funds, federal excise-tax revenue and, mostly, licenses.

�It�s critically important for us to attract elk hunters. It�s our very survival,� division spokesman Randy Hampton said.

This week, the division is launching its �Elevate Your Game� marketing campaign with a new website � huntcolorado.org � that went live Monday. It�s also running ads in the March issues of Outdoor Life magazine and Game and Fish magazine, on websites geared toward outdoorsmen, and on The Sportsman Channel and the Outdoor Channel to draw elk hunters.

In one ad, two elk lock antlers in a Colorado meadow to a soundtrack of football players� helmets clashing. An announcer who sounds like he belongs in a beer commercial says: �Colorado�s mile-high meadows, where 300,000 elk have taken the field and are ready to rumble. ... These magnificent horned gladiators will be fully locked and loaded by next fall�s elk hunting season. Will you?�

The budget for ads and production is about $300,000 for an effort that runs through April 5, the deadline to apply for big-game limited licenses for specific areas and dates.

The division has added nine temporary employees and two volunteers to answer phone calls and questions. Hunting brochures have been redesigned, and the division has online educational videos about elk hunting in Colorado.

Division of Wildlife marketing specialist Debbie Lininger said she hopes the campaign leads to sales of 4,000 more licenses this year.

It�s part of a larger campaign to recruit and retain hunters and anglers.

The short-term goal is to �stop the bleeding� in economic losses for the Division of Wildlife and boost communities that rely on hunting, Remington said. The division says hunting and fishing support 20,614 jobs statewide and that wildlife-based recreation ranks with skiing for driving Colorado tourism.

The marketing program also will help control growth in Colorado�s elk herds.

�If we continue to lose hunters, the ability to manage our elk populations will be severely compromised,� Remington said.

Remington said the long-term goal is getting more kids and families outside, whatever the activity.

Getting people invested in the outdoors will help the agency politically and economically down the road, he said.

Colorado may have luck luring more out-of-state hunters this year after a big hike in license fees for nonresidents in Montana. Also, Colorado doesn�t have wolves.

The Colorado success rate for hunters harvesting elk was 23 percent in 2009. Wyoming typically averages a rate of 40 percent, Langston said.

Other states looking to draw hunters have had initiatives to encourage beginners, but the Colorado campaign may be the first comprehensive, nationwide marketing effort by a state agency, Lininger said.

Bob Wharff, executive director of Wyoming Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, said most elk hunters who splurge on out-of-state trips will focus on what they can take home when they decide where to go. That means states known for trophy elk may have the edge.

�That�s a bigger factor than most states realize,� Wharff said.




Just terrific news. Well done DOW. Insert sarcasm font.

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Originally Posted by mudhen
I am semi-retired and, like most of us, my retirement savings took a hit when the economy went into the toilet. I like to hunt elk more than anything else, and anyone who has read my posts knows that I have only been able to draw one elk tag in my home state of New Mexico in the last 15 years. If I could get a New Mexico bull tag for the $550 or so that I pay in Colorado, I can assure you that I would be hunting New Mexico each year.

So far, the increase in nonresident fees in Colorado has not put me out of the game. This is my one personal "extravagance" each year. The fact that I can still get a tag in Colorado every year and play the game again will keep me coming back until I am too old to hunt. I can no longer afford to apply in multiple states, but I can budget for a Colorado elk hunt each year.

The expense of drawing a tag and hunting elk in Montana comes to about twice what it costs me to do the same in Colorado. It also takes an extra week to go and return. Even if I stay with friends in Montana, the cost in time and money is not something that I can handle every year. I will probably hunt Montana and Idaho once again before I quit, but I will continue to rely on Colorado for my annual elk safari.


Follow up from my last post. Nonresident hunters like mudhen are absolutely welcome and have the right to hunt on what are national forest public lands. Just like I try to do so in several other states for elk, deer, sheep etc with limited success. The irony here is while some states, like NM (discussed by mudhen and me among others in arecent general big game forum thread) are proposing a reduction of Non resident tags to 2%, and others like AZ, UT, NV, have nearly impossible NR draw odds or ridiculous pref points (with no option for NR over the counter tags), the Colorado DOW (ie: the big game hunting whore of the west) is on its knees begging for more hunters to come and spend their dollars (spending my and other hunter's dollars on the ad campaign). No other state to my knowledge allows hunters, resident or nonresident, to buy the volume of OTC elk tags, often at the last minute with no pre-hunt planning. We are the Back-up Elk state for nearly every elk hunter who does not draw a tag elsewhere. Notwithstanding the current economy, which is clearly a factor, perhaps the real reason for the decline in elk tags is the quality of the hunting on public land sucks and is getting worse. I've hunted here since 1976 and been a resident since 1991. I too am not seeing a decrease in hunters, just an ever growing sea of orange, usually on ATV's.

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I don't know, the commercials show mostly big six point bulls roaming those hills.
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One of the reasons we don't want unknown hunters coming onto our private land, which we pay taxes on, till, water, & maintain, is that we've had cattle shot, fires started, cans, bottles, (not to mention the broken glass scattered over an area where some free thinking individuals decided to set up their own target range), plastic bags, and all other manner of trash, left on our land. Then of course, there�s been the occasional aggressive type hunters attempting to tell us what we can & can/t do (on our property).

When I had enough, I just locked the gates, and enforced my no trespassing rule.

It got to the point where the CDW said "open your gates to the public, or we�re going to block the access road from your ranch, into the forest". At that point, I said block it, they did from their side of the forest .

What does this mean to us? Well, instead of taking a ranch truck and driving up a road that I maintained, I now saddle up a couple of the horses, and ride up that same road that I used to drive. I still set up camp where I used to, just can�t use the truck.

Ranchers simply don't need the crap that goes along with allowing unknown hunters onto their property, and we damm sure don't want nimrods running around shooting anything that moves.

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Originally Posted by DayPacker
You can't get private access now and the DOW wants to increase the numbers of hunters on already crowded public land. Why don't they open the access up on private land. I have complained about several areas I have hunted in the last 20 years in Colorado about the rancher closing access during hunting season. Doesn't do any good, they continue to close access to public land and the forest service/DOW don't care.


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Ranchers do have a tough time with hunters and I'm all for property rights and thier right to not permit hunting on thier land. A lot of slobs and trespassers out there. However, some of them cry crop damage and ask for crop damage funds, and yet will not let limited hunters on to cure the situation.Or they get vouchers for crop damage and then sell them for big bucks. The DOW won't even tell you who gets the vouchers. You have to find that out yourself. I am of the mind set that if a property owner wants crop damage funds or vouchers, he/she must permit hunters on their property and they cannot sell the vouchers they get for such damage.
Or they own a few hundred acres,but control access to many thousands of acreas of BLM or NF, and yet they get grazing allotments for a few bucks per animal unit that would cost $20+ moer if they rented private land. Again,if they get grazing allotments on BLM or NF,they should be required to permit acces across thier property to the public land.No access,no grazing.Pretty simple.
The RFW is the biggest farce there is. The DOW gives the rancher an elk seoson that runs from August/Sept through part of January.In return ,there is usually 1 or 2 bull elk tags given out to the public.
By thier own admission in meetings, the CO DOW caters to the AG businesses as those people end up feeding wildife in the winter because wintering grounds are on valley floors that the AG business people own.The forest service isn't as generous,but the DOW basically gives the AG people what ever they want.


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Yep, Colorado is the only state in the west where you can get an elk tag guaranteed as a non-res. I have been applying to UT, and AZ for 10 years with no luck, and gave up on NM long ago. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

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I hunted CO, third season OTC rifle last year, and I saw more elk than I ever see in a week of hunting in my home state of MT. Lots of guys were complaining about no elk, but we would see fifteen to fifty a day.

We were hiking in about two miles and never saw another hunter, except when we were close to the trailhead. Going back again this year, as it was just too much fun to not repeat. Will go again next year and the next year.

Public land is very crowded in CO ....... near the roads and ATV trails.


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I didn't see quiet as many hunting 3rd season last year, I'd take a break on fee's vs. more advertising.

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Originally Posted by BigFin
I hunted CO, third season OTC rifle last year, and I saw more elk than I ever see in a week of hunting in my home state of MT. Lots of guys were complaining about no elk, but we would see fifteen to fifty a day.

We were hiking in about two miles and never saw another hunter, except when we were close to the trailhead. Going back again this year, as it was just too much fun to not repeat. Will go again next year and the next year.

Public land is very crowded in CO ....... near the roads and ATV trails.




At least somebody has got it figured out........




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I hunted 4th season last year for mulies, we only saw one other hunter the whole season. I hunted some prime country and covered lot's of high altitude ground in several parts of unit 74, with one day alone that was 14 hours from when we left my Hummer. Never saw an elk the whole time, strange year.

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As a non resident I hunted Colorado elk for many years. I quit several years ago whan a property owner wanted $500. to cross his small area to get to national forest land. I don't really care what the license ans money is not an object. But will not pay $500. to cross a small chunk to get to national forest. Instead will pay the high dollar for private land license in New Mexico or on the reservation.

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No real knowledge in this case but I have sometimes wondered what it would cost to have a helicopter service overfly the private land dropping hunters camps in the blocked public lands. grin

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I guess the real point is if you're fit enough and are willing to pack in and pack out (I don't have horses, so that means backpack in and frame pack my elk out) there's lots of elk on public land in Colorado. That's been my experience too. If not, and you're hunting on public land, your best bet is to hunt the same area every year, know it like the back of your hand and have a "secret spot" picked out.


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