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Just saying, next time you need to break in my fly rod on pike be careful...grin

You can blame Dober...

Gee...a guy trains a couple dogs...




And ties a few flies...



And he gets a reputation....

Go figure...

Cool thread. Bob for govenah- I'm there!

I wouldn't expect much diff between a .284 and .308 caliber bullet at equal velocity yadda yadda. Pretty similar.

I would expect a discernable diff between a .284 cal and .338 cal; some say there is, others say there isn't, I'll never kill enough elk to know for certain.

.323 cal works pretty damn good though.

Wasn't sure what to expect when they first sent them, but now they fall into the "How did I live without this category."

We killed a lot of critters on the show last year, and all were with rifles topped with Leupold VX3 CDS.

Once you set your zero, and you have your loads and turrets properly matched, it is idiot proof. Idiot proof is necessary for a guy like me.

They sent me four of them. One each for my .300 Win, .308, .270Win, .270 WSM.

I have a lot of guest hunters shooting these rifles, so when I range it, it is really nice to be able to dial it up and tell the hunter to hold dead on.

My uncle, who is notoriously an excitable guy with questionable marksmanship was sure he could shoot an AZ elk at 450 yards. I hesitated, but dialed it up and handed him the rifle. Boom. Time to notch the tag.

If you ever want to see or shoot one, let me know. Glad to meet you out at the range and you can play "hit the gong" with them.

I mounted all four rifles in one day. Once zeroed, I started marching them out to the gongs at MWA range. All four rifles hit the 450 gong 5 for 5 by dialing and holding dead on.

That is not shooting that I am known for, so I cleaned them up, put them in the truck and called it good. A tribute to the rifles and the CDS system, not the shooter.

This MT bull was 295 yards. 180gr Trophy Bonded Tips - Federal Factory ammo. Complete pass through with big wounds on the off side shoulder. Same results with everything I shot this year with that load.

Wish some one could tell me why that load/round kills so much better than it seems it should. But, until the results change, I am going to keep using it.

Since this is a .284 v .308 thread, I should mention that I finally got to see the new Kimber 84M Montana in a .280AI.

Given how well my 84M .308 has performed, I told them they should let me do some promo of that rifle. It sure felt sweet, and what is there to not like about that cartridge? Can there be a better all-around cartridge in the lower 48? Probably, but that would be one I would pick. Send me anywhere in the lower 48 with that one, and I am comfortable.

Which VX3?

You ever use dots?

VX 3 - 3.5-10X40mm

Never have used dots.

Exit hole made via 7RM 150gr BT. I don't know if I've seen a larger hole made by a .308" slug...

Jordan that's nasty....as I think back the biggest holes were made with stuff like Power Points,Speers, and Corelokts,ie standard stuff that held together.....not Partitions.

Like I said....can't see much difference...

Jordan,

I used a 7mm 150 NBT from a 7mm-08 on a buck 6-8 years ago. As luck would have it, I shot him in the neck and the wound was remarkably similar to that one in your picture, albeit rounder and with more meat missing. MV in the mid-2600's tops, range 35-40 yards.

You can make a hellacious hole with a 7mm bullet.

Randy...thanks for the run-down on the CDS...been toying with that idea..thats good info...

That particular shot was at about 230 yards, and I watched my client put a bullet through the base of the neck, and the bull crumpled. The hide is kind of shifted over the hole in that pic, but there is a lot of meat missing, too!

That was a nice cape, too. We had to get the taxi to supply a spare for that mount!

Like Bob said- 7mm or .308"....it doesn't make as much difference as the bullet you choose

I've used the 150 NBT a ton out of my Mashburn, it can be a bit less than subtle when rearranging meat etc.

Dober

Sure gets the job done, though

When my 7wsm arrives, the three bullets I'm focusin on are the 162 amax, 160 Accubond, and 150 Noz BT. That 150 is cheap & easy locally and if it'll shoot I'll be shooting bunches of them.

Man I got raped on shipping on the 162's! THOUGHT they was cheap... not so much, by the time the get here.

What bullet(s) in yours, Brad??

And dats why I keep using them, they hit a deer/lope at long range sort of like a 9 iron hits a field mouse off the T box..grin

Dober

John, 165 AB... was planning on using the 168 NBT but couldn't find any locally or nationally after I'd shot up my supply.

My rifle really dotes on the 168 Ballistic Tip. The Accubond, not so much, but it did work well...