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Brad,
My fwt SS '06 absolutely LOVES the 165 Accubond. How did they work on the elk you shot?

Every animal I killed this year was a pass-thru, including both elk.

I did put a finisher into the bull as it lay thrashing... shot was no more than 20' away. Bullet entered the sternum and was lodged against the spine.

Looks pretty good to me

Thanks. My M70FWT really liked the old factory Fed. High Energy 180-gr. NP load. Very good accuracy and lots of oomph. I'm sorry it's discontinued, tho' I have a few boxes stockpiled. I save them for moose/elk and use other loads on deer.

Impressive. Thanks Brad.

All I can say is I've found 160g .284 bullets to be boringly reliable on elk since 1982. No lost animals, no tracking jobs on any I've shot. A couple went 40 yards or so, a couple around 25, some 10 and most straight down or no more than a few feet. Put a 160g .284 in the right place and good things happen.

Didn't start hunting with .308" bullets until 2006. Have only killed one elk with a 180g .308" (.300WM) and it stumbled 25 yards, even with good placement. The one I shot with a 150g .308" (.30-06) and two with a 165g .308" (also .30-06) all went straight down. Go figure.

Shot a few elk with the 7mm boolits in a 7x57, shot a few more with .308 cal boolits in a variety of cartridges....They all ended up in the freezer....

Dang I'd think that a 7X would have enough gas to penetrate a freezer at least and give you two holes..

Dober


(boy am I ever gonna regret all that crapola I give you about a 7X if I ever had "A" rebarrel my G33 to one aint I...grin)

Whatever you drop off for any reason is gonna get rebarreled to 7x57....

And FWIW, with 160 gr. TSX or 175 Gr NPTs...the 7x57 will completely penetrate a freezer....

Hey remind A that I faxed him a couple weeks ago about a barrel for me next time you see him. And yeah if it turned out to a 7X I could live with it. As long as it was .6" at the mzl and 23".

I just happen to have a smallish stash of the old 175 Noz Semi's that would be about model perfect for our yearly Nilgai shoot..

Dober

Ever tried a 120 TSX in it? Speed in the 2900 range maybe??

Thx
Dober

Nope.....always shoot the heavies.....

This is about what I have seen as well using both 7mm's and 300's.

I wanna believe that because of larger bore diameter and more bullet weight,the 30's at the same velocity are more "powerful"(this has been ddrummed into my head by others for decades )but in actual use,and in terms of dead animals, I can't tell the difference.

.308-284 = .024 x l (the bearing surface of the bullet) in favor of the 308 bullets when both are the same type, S.D, velocity And roughly the same B.C. It would seem to me any real advantage/disadvantage would exist only in the mind of the shooter.

Goodnews: I have never worried too much about it over the years....regardless which one I carried...

being "undergunned is ....hard to do...if you are choosing between 7mm and 30 cal..I worry more about bullets.

To me Bob, the extra speed of the 7 and 30 Magnums is about flattening trajectory, and little else... theoretically they should kill deader than 06 based hulls, but danged if I can see it.

I'll keep trying

Brad; I agree...except for one little item The added velocity expands the heavier, tougher bullets I like to use to longer distances.

Whether this matters a whole lot is another question.....but it is what it is...

Dober,
120's out of my 7X (either TTSX's or BT's) go over 3000 in my 23 inch barrel that mic's .6 at the muzzle!

Amazing to me that a lefty rifle could do that... Thx

Dober

The thing I'd add to the discussion in terms of how the 06 kills verses the 7's or big 30's is that I've observed over the years when the range gets to the 400-600 range that the critters hit with the bigger/quiker rounds tend to go down quicker (not any deader though...) and they also react stronger to the hits.

Oddly enough and I think it's the extra speed but I feel the same about the .270 vs the 06. Plus I can't recall ever finding a .270 slug in an elk and I can't say that about the 06. And for me, I like/want but don't need 2 holes in the critter..

I would like to tip over a few elk via flight 155 Scenar and either the 06 of the 06+P (what I call the 300 shorty mag...grin). I think that with that bullet I'll get the quick knock downs that I'm used to with the 270 and big 7's.

And maybe even the elk will be deader....

Either way, hunt hard, hunt a lot, shoot a lot and have one heck of a lot of fun!!

Dober