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Bob, here in Texas we refer to them as townies  When a townie shows up at the ranch with his starched and iron safari khaki's, LL Bean button down, custom leather shell holder on his belt and his Roy Mark5 in 300, we have special spots for these feller's to hunt.  forth with 270 and conquer  Randy The problem I see using the 270 or the 30-06 on just about anything that walks in North America is they are boring, always dependable and easy to shoot and connect with at reasonable hunting ranges...but these old timers do not sell magazines or make good tv shows anymore....and be honest the ol' 270 and '06 are not a fashionable rounds by todays standards...if they were so good why were the WSM and other mega calibers devloped ...folks are always looking for something which does it "better"... and in the game fields of North America...it just ain't going to happen...
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Probably no need to bed it. If it's accurate don't mess with it.
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I have always been a .270 man, but if I were thinking about an AK moose in big bear country.........
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I would much rather see a brown bear hunter bring up that set up than what most of them bring ! A decent shot would do just fine
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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I would much rather see a brown bear hunter bring up that set up than what most of them bring ! A decent shot would do just fine Wow......!   Geezz......and I just finished this huge pissing match with guys telling me 7 mags are inadequate for elk......so I'm listening closely here Phil.Have never shot a BB with a 270 or 7 Mag.....  But I do know folks who have done it..... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I would much rather see a brown bear hunter bring up that set up than what most of them bring ! A decent shot would do just fine Yep, Phil just shot holes in most arguments we have been hearing lately. Damned refreshing! Randy
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Dang, no love for the Leupold eh? I have a tough-as-nails rifle, sling, reliable ammo and good binos... and so need a trim and light and deadnuts reliable scope. I figured Leupie would be the obvious choice. Hmmm...
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First of all, Phil has a hell of a lot more experience than me hunting bears so what he has to say has to be seriously considered .......but personally I use the 375 H&H loaded with 275 BBC for the big bears..Coastal Grizzly, Kodiak/Brown Bears and Polar Bears...everything else in NA I have used both the 270 and 30-06 with no problems... but if I were Moose or Sheep hunting hunting with my '06 loaded with 200 BBC I would have no trouble tackling a Mountain Grizzly...
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But why hamstring yourself, when there are dozens of better choices? .................Yep! When it comes to Swamp, there are always better choices. 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06 chambered in a Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700.
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I am not recommending the .270 for Brown bear as there are - at least in my opinion - a lot better choices - but I have know a few Brown Bear guides who chose the 270 as their backup rifles and lived to ripe old ages.
So it is a given that a proper hit with the 270 and a stout bullet will take Brown Bears. What I said was that I would rather guide someone with the mentioned gear than many of my clients with large bore rifles that they are afraid of and can not shoot well.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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But why hamstring yourself, when there are dozens of better choices? .................Yep! When it comes to Swamp, there are always better choices. 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06 chambered in a Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700. Excellent post but for large bears even the .30-06 is only a tad better than the .270.
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Jack O'Connor started that .270 with a 6X for western hunting thing. And a 3X for eastern hunting. Good for it's day. But that day is gone.
Variables are light years ahead of his day. If you don't glass your rifle with a quality 3X9 you are going to be stuck in a 40 year old past.
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I also have to call BS on the people who claim that a 6x (or even a 4x) results in "a scope full of hair" on deer at close range.
I just broke my own record for closest running shot with a 6x, killing a big Texas pig at 10 yards with a 2.5-10x set on 6x. Though I couldn't see the whole boar, I could see airspace above and below his shoulders--and put the bullet right in the middle of his shoulders.
This isn't surprising, since the field of view of a modern 6x is at least 18 feet at 100 yards, which means almost 2 feet at 10 yards.
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But why hamstring yourself, when there are dozens of better choices? .................Yep! When it comes to Swamp, there are always better choices. 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06, 30-06 chambered in a Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700, Remy 700. Excellent post but for large bears even the .30-06 is only a tad better than the .270. ...............It was an excellent post, which was designed to be a compliment to you Swampy! Afterall, how many times can read 30-06 and Remy 700 in one posting? Oh and btw, the original heading did say,,,,,"NON" dangerous game? Shhhhhhh! Don`t tell anybody, but I don`t think big bears were included when hunting using a 270.
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Still trying to understand the need for (or desire for)fixed power scopes in the 21st century.
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First off, I must admit my bias - not for the 270; never shot a thing with it myself. lol. don't show my wife this post. Or my son: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/544/medium/IMG_00857.JPG) 270 Winchester [check]
Ruger M77 Mark II Walnut [He got the Ruger and walnut part; check]
Leupold 6X [fixed power; check. He used a Weaver 2.5X]
Swift A-Frame 140 grain [loaded with a Lee Loader; check]
Uncle Mike's nylon sling [removed in deference to young hunter KISS rules; otherwise, check]
Minox HG 8.5x52 binos [none needed]
![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/544/medium/IMG_01067.JPG) 140 Swift -A-Frame (Midway seconds); recovered beyond the offside shoulder blade, after punching through. Somewhat beyond 200 yards on the shot. Gained some new respect for both caliber and hunter.
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Still trying to understand the need for (or desire for)fixed power scopes in the 21st century. ................And some here (maybe alot), are still trying to understand you in the 21st century.........
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Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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