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Originally Posted by ingwe
I'll throw in another for you. I had a customer bring in a Vari-X II in three pieces...horse rolled on it in the scabbard. I returned it to Leupold, and they sent him a new scope a week later...no questions asked....
Even I would have asked questions about that one... grin


Yep, that's exactly my experience.

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The cynic in me asks why it's such a coup that Leupold fixed what was obviously a manufacturing defect. Even more so, it's a manufacturing defect that has plagued Leupold for a while, the "power ring too hard to turn" problem crops up repeatedly with Leupolds. In my mind it shouldn't have left the factory that way, whether or not it had been through another owner is irrelevant. I'm glad they fixed it at no cost, but that's what they SHOULD have done since they sold a defective product to begin with.


That particular manufacturing defect is news to me, though it may be well known by others. ALL of the Leupolds I own are variables and none of them have had any sort of defect - in either materials or manufacturing. I've never experienced a true warranty problem so if the problem with the used scope I bought was a known manufacturing defect it's the first defect I've experienced.

Now, why that's such a coup is this: I've owned lots of very high quality and very costly items of various kinds. Truly outstanding customer service has, in my experience been rare, even when the problem was a clearly identifiable defect in materials or workmanship on a brand new product. Other than my experience with Leupold I HAVE NEVER had a manufacturer unquestioningly identify much less fix at no cost to me a problem with a product I bought used, period. Ever.

So, why is Leupold repairing my used scope a coup? First, because most manufacturer warranties are not lifetime (most that are advertised as lifetime are "limited lifetime".) Second, because even most "lifetime" warranties are not transferrable - so as the buyer of a used product I am SOL even if the problem IS a defect in manufacturing. Third, getting warranty service, even when agreed to by a manufacturer, has usually, in my experience, involved repeated communications wherein I first demonstrate that the problem actually IS a warranty issue and not my fault. Then getting the fix done costs me time, money and frustration.

My experiences with Leupold warranty and customer service (limited though they are) have been nothing short of amazing. In the last instance the Leupold customer service rep offered the fact that the issue might be a warranty issue - on a scope I had purchased used and knew nothing about its history. If he had been like other companies' "customer service" reps I've dealt with he would have done everything in his power to:
1) deny that there was a problem;
2) deny that if there was a problem it could in any possible way be related to a manufacturing defect;
3) explain rudely to me that as a buyer of a used product I had no warranty and should have no expectation that the manufacturer would assume any responsibility for a product obviously damaged by a previous owner; and
4) offered me a convoluted process for sending the product in for inspection and repair I would pay for, if the manufacturer even continued to support service of the product, which (again in my experience) many manufacturers do not do if the product is not their most recent iteration.

Everyone get's their opinion and choice. If buying a European scope for two grand makes someone happy then I'm happy for them. If buying a Tasco or Simmons for $100 makes someone happy then I'm happy for them, too.

But in my case it's never been the money. There was a time when Leupolds were a stretch for my budget. They were particularly worth it at the time because of optic quality and reliability. I saved money until I could afford them. I'm very fortunate now and can buy literally anything I want, scopes included. I buy Leupolds primarily because of reliability, size, and optic quality. All of my hunting is in remote wilderness where I can't just drive into town and get a replacement if something breaks, and I want a scope that is of minimum size and weight with the quality of optics that will do the job well.

Leupolds give me those things plus what in my experience is an unparalleled warranty and customer service. I have owned no other product of any kind that had the warranty and customer service of Leupold scopes. Nothing. Ever. I would buy no other brand of scope used and without inspection as I did the Leupold.

And, they are made in the USA. That's even more important to me today that it has ever been.

Leupold scopes meet and exceed my needs/uses and the warranty and service are, in my experience, unparalleled.

Your mileage may vary. I'm just giving my opinion and experience because I believe any company that stands behind their product like Leupold does deserves to have that recognized. And, I have absolutely NO personal interest in or connection to Leupold.

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People only know how good Leupold's warranty is, because they have had to use it...

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I have to agree with Browndog on all points. Time was, a Leupold for me was hard to afford, but I was able to scrape it together and get a Vari-X 3X9X40. Times have changed and I can afford most any scope I want, but I still look to Leupold as do my 4 sons. I currently shoot with over 40 Leupold scopes (not counting the dozen or so I have given to my sons)and am looking forward to buying & using more. Yes, several have failed over the years, but either Leupold repaired it to my satisfaction or gave a free scope of my choice, even for those bought used. US company & jobs are important to me.

Does your wife know your scope brand?? Mine does.

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I had a few people tell me that World Class Trashco was a better scope than the older ones so I thought I would give it a try.
I ended up giving it away. I had another one that I sent it in for repair and they sent it back without fixing it because it was made before a certain date.
I threw that one in the garbage.
My father in law had an old Ishnell that I sent in for him.
They said they could not fix it because it was a discontinued model.
I will buy used Leupolds and get them fixed before I spend any more money on overseas made junk.


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Originally Posted by 7mmStwer
Does your wife know your scope brand?? Mine does.


Good Lord I hope not! She's an educated woman and she's very fluent in Google.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
I'll throw in another for you. I had a customer bring in a Vari-X II in three pieces...


Customer. Riiiiiiight.
Originally Posted by ingwe
horse rolled on it in the scabbard.


Horse. Riiiiiiiiiight.


smile


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Originally Posted by KDK
Originally Posted by ingwe
I'll throw in another for you. I had a customer bring in a Vari-X II in three pieces...


Customer. Riiiiiiight.
Originally Posted by ingwe
horse rolled on it in the scabbard.


Horse. Riiiiiiiiiight.


smile


Hmmmm...

I see no reason to doubt ingwe.

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Great write up BrownDog! Thanks for posting that. OT


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Over the years I have used a variety of scopes but am using Nikons and the Bushnell Elites right now. I have never owned a Leupold, but have looked through some of the lower priced ones. Their clarity did not compare with the Elites. As for customer service, I am glad the service with Leupold is so good, but to be honest, I have never had a need to call them with the exception of Weaver many years ago. You notice I don't use Weavers. I can't say I would never own a Leupold because with so many positive comments, there has to be something to them.

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BrownDog: Dittoes to you and your post!
AND THIS, they are weather/conditions PROOF!
Long live Leupold & Stevens (an American Company!)!
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Originally Posted by jim62
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They could put a lot more people to work if they built the parts for their scopes in the USA instead of just assembling them here..


They DO make most of their scope parts there. They do not just "assemble" foreign made parts.

This might help your understanding.

Complete with pictures...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/leupold_tour.htm

Also, what these video tours-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLcYQiP4_s&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72XhFKTyLPI&feature=related

Let's see, 600 employees,lots of shop space and machinery, tons of Aluminum and steel milled every year, just to "assemble" foreign parts??? Yeah, right. whistle



All the glass is outsourced, which is probably the source of the confusion. All the metal parts are machined in Beaverton, as is final assembly, testing and quality assurance. This applies only to their scopes. All their other optics are entirely outsourced.

Leupold makes a good product and backs up their product better than most companies.

They had been the standard-bearer for performance at a reasonable price for many years. Without a doubt, their excellent warranty forced competing optics manufacturers to improve their warranties. Credit must be given where credit is due.

Over the past 2 decades, however, I believe they became complacent and paid the price for that complacency. As a result, along came the likes of Zeiss Conquest, Bushnell Elite, Nikon Monarch, all of which caught up and in several ways surpassed them technology-wise (fixed vs. variable eye relief, etched glass reticles, better optics, fast focus diopter) at the same or lower price points. Through it all, they always had a much wider selection of models and reticle selection, along with their superb warranty. But, they lagged behind in performance : price. With Leupold's new VX3 series, they've caught up with the Conquests of the scope world again. Competition is a good thing!

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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
Originally Posted by KDK
Originally Posted by ingwe
I'll throw in another for you. I had a customer bring in a Vari-X II in three pieces...


Customer. Riiiiiiight.
Originally Posted by ingwe
horse rolled on it in the scabbard.


Horse. Riiiiiiiiiight.


smile


Hmmmm...

I see no reason to doubt ingwe.


Note smiley face. That's called good natured ribbing. As in a joke.


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I have no clue how many Leupolds I have had or even now have...but it is well over 100...and all but maybe three were purchased used...

In all that time I think three have gone back to the factory. A 50 year old 2X IER scope I bought off GunBroker had a problem with the rear lens...replaced free with a new lens with beautiful updated coating. A VX-III 2.5-8 that would not hold zero and would not group even on proven accurate rifles...fixed free. And one of the only scopes I ever bought new, a 2.5X Scout that the front lens slightly fogged...fixed and back in three weeks...

For the money spent they are a great value and the guaranty and turn around time if something does go wrong can't be beat.

....and they are made in the USA....

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Heck I love my Leupolds so much that I might buy my first Redfield now! (They are being made in the Leupold factory in Beaverton, complete with that wonderful warrantee).


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And the #1 reason to buy a leupold and write nice things about it on internet forums is to PO the euro snobs who deep down harbor the feeling that they paid to much for a scope they only use to shoot a deer on some farmers back 40 every 2-3 years. ;^)

Naw seriously I like the fact that they are for the most part assembled in the US and people forget that they built their reputation as being super reliable and their warranty was just a reinforcement of that. As to the brightness etc. mine have all been plenty bright enough for my purposes. Plus I'll admit I grew up looking at Jack Slacks gun porn in the Leupold ads and I still think a fine rifle should have a beautiful wood stock. cut checkering a fine blued finish and a leupold scope. Other wise it like wearing tennis shoes with a tux.

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And the #1 reason to buy a Leupold and write nice things about it on internet forums is to PO the euro snobs who deep down harbor the feeling that they paid to much for a scope they only use to shoot a deer on some farmers back 40 every 2-3 years. ;^)


I purchased a Swarovski 5-25 to put on my Savage because it is the best compromise of weight, low end and top end magnification, and low light ability. I am convinced one never pays too much for something he really wants. Would I use a Tasco or Bushnell if it would do the same job for less money? In a heart beat.

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