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Why would the 338-06 be limited to 250 yards?
Lack of field experience, that's how...
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Yeah, true enough. In fact, most if not ALL of the stuff we fret about means dick at the ranges most game is shot! With that being said, the 225 NAB is one of those bullets that stands out, to me, as being pretty clearly "best"- for my purposes. Not much to fault. I think there's many excellent cartridges & bullets; not a lot of separation between "best" and the other top 5 or 10.... though around here, it doesn't take much separation to fire up a pizzin' match! I can agree for the most part, which means we should spend less time/money on that stuff and more on tags and trips! The $$ to rebarrel you Kimber would probably have covered a whitetail hunt in ID. I bet it turns out pretty cool though...
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Just askin' here, but if a fellow was going to use the 200 grain bullets, would there be any advantage to using the .338 bullet over a .308 bullet of 200 grains?
Fred Personally I don't care for the 200 or 210 grain bullet in a 338. Poor sectional density and poor ballistic coefficient. The 200 grain Nosler Partition in the .308 caliber is a stream line deep penetrating slug. In a 30 caliber magnum class rifle it is a hell of an elk round, in close or far away! Off subject but look at the statistics on this target bullet from Sierra granted it is a 240 grain .308 caliber BTHP for 1000 yard plus shooting, but it is impressive in a 30-378 Weatherby with a custom 30 inch barrel! # Sectional Density: 0.361 # Ballistic Coefficient: 0.771 Ahh, nothing quite like ballistic gak! I've been using the 210 Nosler Partition for years in my 338 Win Mag, on everything from 8' Grizzlies to Idaho Whitetails. Fortunately none of them have read the "ballistic gak", they just fall over and die! The only one that required a second shot was a Whitetail that I shot as he was streaking across a river bottom. The second one tipped him right over. It's the perfect match for the 338 Win Mag and I don't even try other bullets anymore. I'm sure they'd work, but the 210's are a proven killer for me. I carried some 185 TSX's last year, but shot my deer with the 210.
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I dropped a 20" black bear with the 210xlc out of my 338 Rum going 3150 at the muzzle. It was damn impressive how fast that bear hit the ground.
The gal at the sporting goods store gave me a box of the Federal 225 Accubonds for the 338 Rum. I decided to pick up a second box too. They shot moa in my rifle, and had the same poi at 100 as the 210xlc! The federal box says they have a muzzle velocity of 3020 and still pack 4045 ft-lbs of energy at 100yds.. Looking forward to pounding a few bears with the 225 accubond!
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Being able to shoot a 160 grain bullet all the way up to a 300 grain bullet is where the 338 really shines. The is not another caliber that can do this.
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Actually, in the 375 H&H one can shoot 220 gr Hornady flat nose bullets as well as 380 gr rhinos from SA.
160-300=140 grain spread 220-380=160 grain spread
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Cool learn something everyday.
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"A friend of mine has been to Africa several times and shot 3 cape buffalo. He was using a 416 Rigby, with solids. He also has taken an elephant. These light fragmenting bullets hold no water in there argument when it comes to thick hided dangerous game like cape buffalo."
Yeah, let's compare a 200 grain ballistic tip to a .416 solid for African African DG. Yup, another moronic statement from an arm chair hunter. Let's compare a Volkswagon bug to a Armored personal carrier. I know the difference is hard for you to comprehend.
So let me get this straight Jony, you have been hunting with the .338 for 20+ years and you have a hand full of elk to your name. Keep hunting those roads, one is bound to run across in front of you. Flinch
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Pesky varmint rifle shooters. Darn, almost as irritating as mosquitoes.
I'll stick with the recommendations from the bullet manufactures, thank you.
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Flinch your friend make wise decision to choice solid. Otherwise he should have fast legs to run...as buffalo and elephant is normally shot from 50-60 yrds...lol
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Wasn't my friend that used the solids. I was quoting Jon's moronic comparison statement. Flinch
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Hey Flinch, when are you going hunting for the big coastal Browns in Alaska with your 243?
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Flinch your friend make wise decision to choice solid. Otherwise he should have fast legs to run...as buffalo and elephant is normally shot from 50-60 yrds...lol I could see ole Flinch running like hell after he shot a buffalo with his 243. Poor ole Flinch just isn't in to making wise statements.
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Who ever mentioned coastal Browns or Cape Buffalo with a .243 in this thread? I think you're the only one...
Deer and elk are NOT Brown bear and Cape Buff...
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Sooner or later these kind of threads turn into crap and everyone looses interest. I want to thank everyone whom responded, there is a lot great info here and a ton of experience to back it up.
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When have you actually hunted anything other than your wiener hiding under your fat gut? Flinch
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JWP-475, I suppose if you look at the energy that compares the .338/06 to the .338 Win mag, the win mag is just a 125 yards better when looking at the energy developed. I realize anything I ever shot was never killed by frigging energy but I would still say the .338-06 is a 250 to 300 yard bull elk caliber. The .338 win mag you can reach out further is all and still penetrate plenty into the body of that bull elk. Most guys I know would not shoot over 300 yards on an elk for fear of missing the critter, us older hunters don't see as well anymore. Nonetheless there's an old boy who works for Nosler Bullets that never had any problems knocking down the grizzly that wanted to eat him that day, guys name is "CHUB"
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Who ever mentioned coastal Browns or Cape Buffalo with a .243 in this thread? I think you're the only one...
Deer and elk are NOT Brown bear and Cape Buff... It is insinuated by Flinch that caliber means nothing, just shot placement. Yes I know no one mentioned Brown bear or Cape Buffalo, I was just being sarcastic.
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When have you actually hunted anything other than your wiener hiding under your fat gut? Flinch Oh Flincher, you have to come up with a better one than that. I was probably hunting before you were a thought in your daddy's sack. When you get over you flinch, you maybe able to handle a man's caliber.
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� I realize anything I ever shot was never killed by frigging energy � Not directly, but everything you ever killed relied on energy transferred from the bullet to do the damage that resulted in the death of the animal. A bullet can�t transfer energy it doesn�t have and the velocity of the bullet has a major bearing on the speed of the energy transfer. (As do other factors like the bullet�s design, etc.)
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