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D's and R's doing what D's and R's do -whittling away at freedom.



If it was both partys, we'd have been sunk a long time ago. think it through.


It has been both parties, for a very long time.

Drop the pom-poms and look at the facts.



You're another one that should pull his head out and look around. We are not a communist nation...yet.


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total and complete control, over every possible detail of our lives, is the stated goal of hussein and the progressives. They are almost there...........


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
We don't need anymore homes or malls. 20% of the homes in FL are sitting empty. The malls are like ghost towns.

Farm ponds and ditches are already regulated as wetlands.

You are insane if you think that we should stop all development because of conditions in Fl. That would turn our recession into a depression. I think that is Obama's objective.

The last recession turned out to be a disaster for the country and a fantasy land for the progressive fascists. FDR was able to establish his socialist policies and earn the admiration of a huge number of simple minded people.

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If he get's away with this, energy prices will skyrocket and any industry that can leave the country, will.


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I hate to say it, but overregulating and driving prices through the roof are our best chance of getting the backlash needed to get the tyrant out of office.


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Why do you need the government to regulate your wetland to preserve your green space? Why don't you and your buddies do it the old fashioned way-buy it.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Why do you need the government to regulate your wetland to preserve your green space? Why don't you and your buddies do it the old fashioned way-buy it.


Or, support an organization (such as a local land trust, or The Nature Conservancy) that will do the same?




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If he get's away with this, energy prices will skyrocket and any industry that can leave the country, will.


Hussein's goals, accomplished.




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Originally Posted by ConradCA
Originally Posted by Swampman700
We don't need anymore homes or malls. 20% of the homes in FL are sitting empty. The malls are like ghost towns.

Farm ponds and ditches are already regulated as wetlands.

You are insane if you think that we should stop all development because of conditions in Fl. That would turn our recession into a depression. I think that is Obama's objective.

The last recession turned out to be a disaster for the country and a fantasy land for the progressive fascists. FDR was able to establish his socialist policies and earn the admiration of a huge number of simple minded people.


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Walden Upset With EPA Over Broader RulesSays Administration 'Ignoring' 170 Members of Congress

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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., expressed dismay Thursday over the Obama Administration�s release of a �guidance document� that greatly broadens the scope of what waters and areas can be regulated by the EPA and Corps of Engineers under the federal Clean Water Act.

Last week, Rep. Walden and 169 members of Congress sent a letter to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) expressing strong concern about the agency�s plans to circumvent the proper regulatory rulemaking process and push through a dramatic expansion of federal control over non-navigable areas that previous congresses were not supportive.

�I am disappointed that the administration ignored the objections of so many and is pushing through this guidance that will bring new land and features under the scope of the Clean Water Act,� Rep. Walden said. �I�m pro-clean water and very supportive of improving the cleanliness of our water, but am worried that this guidance will dramatically shift the focus of our clean water laws to questionable areas to the detriment of our rural communities and businesses who operate in them. I look forward to congressional committees holding oversight hearings to shine a light on this expansion of federal control and the process by which they are going about it.�

�This is just one more example in a stunning series of regulatory maneuvers by this administration to tighten its grip around the way of life in the West,� Rep. Walden added. �Growing up on a cherry orchard in The Dalles, I�ve long appreciated the importance of clean air and water and know that Oregon�s farmers, ranchers and business owners take great pride in protecting these valuable and scarce resources.�

The effect of the guidance will be to reverse decisions by the United States Supreme Court that recognized limits to the federal government�s regulatory authority, and to undermine the long-standing federal-state partnership in the regulation of waters. This expansion will result in confusion, permitting delays, and added costs and burdens for communities, farmers, small businesses, industries and other Americans.

The Administration has issued this so-called guidance before conducting any rulemaking, which violates the principles of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA) and the intent of Congress in enacting this law. The APA sets the standards for the activities and rule making of all federal regulatory agencies, and is designed to ensure those federal agencies use open, uniform, and fair procedures. The requirements of the APA are not mere formalities.

In unilaterally developing its guidance, the Administration has ignored calls from state agencies and environmental groups, among others, to proceed through the normal rulemaking procedures, and has avoided consulting with the states, which are the federal agencies� partners in implementing the Clean Water Act. Only now is it seeking public comment on its fully formed policy.PrintEmail




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Originally Posted by ltppowell
I don't know that is will help in this case, but if you use fuel, you better call your representitives on this one. I don't care if you live in the desert.
Yea, looks like us fish and wildlife is trying to shut down drilling in west texas and new m. for the dunes sage lizard. start looking for $200 oil.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
I hate to say it, but overregulating and driving prices through the roof are our best chance of getting the backlash needed to get the tyrant out of office.


I know, but damn it's gonna hurt, and the fact that this stuff is basically kept under wraps, burns me up.


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California has gone down the path of regulating everything possible and look at what it's done for em'.

The hard part is undoing the damage/laws once they're enacted.

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you mean like uncle obama measuring and controlling your electric use from a computer station in dallas, and if a hickup occurs u have to have a certified unionista ecectrician come by and check out your house for a hefty fee to keep getting electricity? doesnt that start in jan 2012


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The not ruling class of this country needs to be controlled at all times. If us "Little People" are allowed to fart without federal oversight and permitting then the Ruling Class will loose a toehold over us and that would be a disaster for them. They should just outlaw food and water all together.


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
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D's and R's doing what D's and R's do -whittling away at freedom.



If it was both partys, we'd have been sunk a long time ago. think it through.


It has been both parties, for a very long time.

Drop the pom-poms and look at the facts.



You're another one that should pull his head out and look around. We are not a communist nation...yet.


Suggest that you read the Communist Manifesto, in particular the Ten Steps to Revolution in Section Two, then tell me that we haven't adopted almost all of them.


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Au contraire, They are NOT stupid, but they are insidious and
invidious! Soon we will all need "licenses" in order to change
our lawn-boy's oil, and pay a fee for tuning our out-boards
while they sit in the barrel.

Originally Posted by fish head
More big govt spending.

The cluelessness in DC just amazes me.

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Are you refering to the 10 planks?
If so, would you show which have been adopted, when, and which party was responsible. If the president signed it, blame lies with their party. If ya'll can spit it out, i'll hold you to task to prove it.


Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.



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IMO, this is a huge powerplay to break the oil companies by the Communist Party. I trully believe a showdown is looming.


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