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I got a quote recently from E R SHAW precision guns for a VERY affordable price of $800 for a 458 lott stainless steel barrel and action of any barrel length I want, and a synthetic stock. I have some questions though that I was hoping someone could help me with. The main uses for this rifle will be for recreational shooting - just shooting a big gun for fun and breaking stuff with it, and also deer and bear hunting with reduced loads for the deer. At some point take it to canada and alaska, and maybe africa which would be several years down the road. So i'm not concerned with having a top notch rifle, I just want something that can work without breaking down. And the reason for the custom build is for stainless and synthetic combo, I want this rifle to be rust resistant due to the type of hunting I do - usually in snow or wet conditions.
1) I read somewhere that E R Shaw uses Savage 110 action with either push or controlled round feed... if this is the case what will be the quality of a re buildt savage 110 to accept a 458 lott... i know the sales guy will say yes, I just want an objective opinion. I will not accept a push feed action I want controlled feed.
2) Are cross bolts necessary for all big bores? Are there any special instruction for fitting the stock that I should tell the guy before I place the order, so it doesn't fall apart after one shot haha.
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I would get iron sights placed by a local gun smith as well as a barrel band.
this is not something I am 100% certain of, I am still highly interested in the 416 ruger alaskan which would be about the same price
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If you are going for synthetic then you won't need cross bolts. I would get it pillar bedded. I have recently built a .458Lott with a Win70 rechambered .458wn mag to Lott. The barrel is 21" I have used a laminate stock as this will absorbe some recoil and fitted a recoil reducer in the butt. The butt is also slightly wider to disperse the recoil. I have bedded with devcon and fitted bedding blocks. I like the Win70 as its controlled feed with a decent extractor claw. Its also got the three position flag safty on the bolt. The barrel has a second recoil lug half way down the barrel. As I have used lamininate , I have fitted two cross bolts. I have fitted it witha Leupold VXII 1-4X20 with quick relese mounts. I have been using down the range and playing around with loads. Its shooting very well and managable to shoot. I'm pushing a 500gr Barns X @2150fps , which is what I wanted to do from the start. I'm taking her to Africa in August. I do like Savage rifles , I think they are very fine, but I prefare the Win70 as a DG rifle. For what you are going to do with it, I think the Ruger Alaskan would be the one to go for. [img:center]http:// ![[Linked Image]](http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/paul375/IMG_7024.jpg) [/img]
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And some photos of her finished. [img:center]http:// ![[Linked Image]](http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/paul375/IMG_7028.jpg) [/img] [img:center]http:// ![[Linked Image]](http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z411/paul375/IMG_7029.jpg) [/img]
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I gotta say that is the coolset looking laminate I've seen. Thumbs up!
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1) I read somewhere that E R Shaw uses Savage 110 action with either push or controlled round feed... if this is the case what will be the quality of a re buildt savage 110 to accept a 458 lott... i know the sales guy will say yes, I just want an objective opinion. I will not accept a push feed action I want controlled feed. Dude.... Its a Savage 110 that they swap out bolt handles, true the receiver, and eliminate the barrel nut. There is no option for controlled round feed. In fact to my knowledge Savage produced exactly 1 model that was "CRF" that was the 116 Safari that is now discontinued, that wasn't even a true "CRF" action as it lacked a non-rotating claw extractor. Be honest, you haven't actually talked to someone at E.R. Shaw yet. You used the build feature on their website to spec what you want, and then it emailed you a quote. If you had they would have told you that they only offer the push feed action. This is my best effort at a civil answer to your pondering, while still attempting to impart you with the begining of a clue.
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1) I read somewhere that E R Shaw uses Savage 110 action with either push or controlled round feed... if this is the case what will be the quality of a re buildt savage 110 to accept a 458 lott... i know the sales guy will say yes, I just want an objective opinion. I will not accept a push feed action I want controlled feed. Dude.... Its a Savage 110 that they swap out bolt handles, true the receiver, and eliminate the barrel nut. There is no option for controlled round feed. In fact to my knowledge Savage produced exactly 1 model that was "CRF" that was the 116 Safari that is now discontinued, that wasn't even a true "CRF" action as it lacked a non-rotating claw extractor. Be honest, you haven't actually talked to someone at E.R. Shaw yet. You used the build feature on their website to spec what you want, and then it emailed you a quote. If you had they would have told you that they only offer the push feed action. [b]This is my best effort at a civil answer to your pondering, while still attempting to impart you with the begining of a clue.[/b You must be one of the blessed. Most of us where not born knowing everything and consequently have ask a question now and then. And some of us less enlightened thought that this forum was a place to do that. If you are not one of those that were born so blessed could you please put your arrogant condescending attitude on hold. [b]This is my best effort at a civil answer to your pondering, while still attempting to impart you with the begining of a clue.[/b 8mmwapiti
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This has been on ongoing thing with Mr. Polska for months now. People have given him good solid advice. He has chosen to ignore that advice, and arrogantly tell people that they didn't know what they talking about... You might also look at some of his other posts like these gems: here here... here... ... here... ... ... here... ... ... ... here... ... ... ... or here... ... ... ... ... If you can read any of those threads, and honestly say that he is NOT a troll.. well brother you're a better man than I. Thanks for your concern.
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He is a Troll?
I thought he was trying for some sorta sci-fi/Mid-evil writing award!
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I think they had mid-evil trolls?.....
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Heres kind of a mini highlight reel of his posts: on 45-70s all i wanted to do was take 200-250 grain bullet and push it to 2500-3000 fps and the uproar I got for that comment is ridiculous. all i asked was if this is possible and if someone has done it before, I didn't ask for lectures and naysayers and general nastiness. Maybe you should look at your posts. on canada Canada is a dump and it always was a dump. canada again It's all these damn Canadians, all they do is leach. They leach off their government and they leach and extort American and foreign hunters, cause their country has no economy and they know Canada, sadly, has the best hunting in North America besides alaskan and some northwestern states. Just look at any guide in quebec or ontario or new brunswick or new foundland... and see their rates, bet you won't find a decent one for under 10,000 on canadian guides Some of these guides in Canada charge $10,000 for a moose hunt or caribou or bear. Thats just ridiculous!! How high do you think their operating costs are??? Some gas for the quad, a few boxes of rifle bullets and paying for their lease or paying off any loans for their property... these guys have deep pockets don't fool yourself.
What about these outfitters in Canada that are chargin 10 grand for a black bear hunt over bait, or a caribou or moose hunt for 12 grand. THATS INSANE, AND PEOPLE PAY IT. AND THESE CANADIAN LOSERS KNOW IT. They extort money from stupid people from america and other countries, cause Canada has no economy and no real jobs for them so they extort non-residents.
some wisdom first of all have you ever shot a .45-70 or owned one, and shot all different types of loads with it, low power, full power, light weight, heavy weight. IF you did you would understand that it is the best all around gun ever made for home defense, dangerous game, deer, even some small game like wolves and coyotes, mountain lions. What makes it superior to your african rifles is that you can customize it's power you can go from low power and light weight for deer and small game, to full power and heavy weight bullets for grizzlies and african game. Plus it has the faster cycling of a lever action and you can hold any where from 6-10 cartridges, making it a perfect all around hunting gun. Go figure, something American is the best, not the first and not the last time.
Guides in alaska carry .45-70's and I think a 1,500 pound kodiak bear would eat your cape buffalo for breakfast.
.45-70 on bowhunting
The truth is the truth. Anyone can kill an animal with a bow and a little practice from a tree stand.
another nice one instructing on bear defense Take your shotgun, if you have one, and get some slugs and shoot it at a stump, and you'll see they wont penetrated more then if you shove your pocket knife into it. Because a shotgun slug has a huge diamter... almost 3/4" and travels slow so it is hard for it to penetrate. A .45-70 is much better, and with stout loads its ideal. Even better would be a .375 H&H.. but i've read of bears being immune to the .375. Best would be safari type rifles - .416 rigby, remington, taylor, ruger etc. or even better 458 win mag or 458 lott.
Sure a 12 gauge shotgun is better then your hands, but it's asking for trouble. remember bears can spring up to 30 mph, that means if he's 100 yards away and wants to come up on you, he'll get there in under 3 or 4 seconds, you will have time to get off 1 shot maybe 2... so you want the most power possible.
Your better off with a .30-06 or .300 win mag with 250 grain bullets, than you are with a 12 gauge shotgun I have no problems with Phil Shoemaker a.k.a. 458win. I'm not contradicting him. I think he knows way more about bears and hunting them then I will probably ever know unless i move to alaska and live there the rest of my life... which is a dream at this point. I've seen videos of people shooting bears with .375's and them not going down right away.. .and it makes sense, the .375 only shoots a 300 grain bullet, thats only a little bit larger then a .30-06. Bears don't need super fast bullets, they need moderate penetartions with big bullets that will do maximum damage for a humane kill.. don't bitch at me cause your not man enough to shoot a .416 or larger. I laugh when i hear about all these hunters going to alaska or africa with .338's or .375's... because they are afraid of recoil. It's all mental weakness, you need the courage, and fortitude and passion to practice and master a big bore. If you can't shoot a .458 lott as good as your .22, and your planning to hunt the most dangerou animal in the world... then you are stupid as hell and asking for trouble. You wouldn't change cut down a tree with a hacksaw would you? I mean you could... you could kill a bear witha .22 also. I didn't even read what Phil Shoemaker's comments, I just read the original post and commented. You can disagree with me but you don't have to get nasty.
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more treats on hunting ethics What is so pleasurable in killing something just for the sake of killing? There is no honor in wasting a groundhog for 200 yards. Or sitting in the safety of our treestand with a bow over a bait pile and shooting a bear or buck... not true woodsman, just pretenders Its good to have respect for bears... its good to have respect for all animals.. regardless of whether they are able to kill your or not. I see so many people on these hunting shows killing pigs and deer and turkeys and other bueatiful animals for no reason other then sport... thats a bad reason, and a waste of time/money. If you don't need the meat let it live. The world does not revolve around us and animals have feelings too....just like IS ee people hunting big bears with .30-06's and .338's... because they are not man enough to shoot a real man's gun a real big bore that will humanely kill it. Would you like to be hunted and shot to death with a .22?? and Being shot at while hiking in the woods from unknown direction with a .22? And run and panic not knowing whats going on... that just ain't right. That being said... maybe some people are #2 on the food chain, but I know that I am #1 and I will always be #1 until the day I die Our intelligence is what makes us #1.. not our brute strength, which even I have but is not enough to over power a bear. I outsmart him. a real classic
Well no armor can stop a grizz from killing you nless you are in armored vehicle. Thats when a self destruct device comes into play hahaha. When that [bleep] is chewing on me i'll blow myself and him up... just kidding. But its always good to leave one bullet for yourself... i'd rather blow myself up or shoot myself If I know I have no chance of fighting the bear off or if I know he's a maneather... better then be eaten alive
on al queda and chinese troops Was thinking about this the other day... could a .375, 416, or 458 etc. penetrate hard body armor? I believe the strongest available and practical is rated to a .30-06 180 grain at 2800 fps. For some reason it came to my mind, I think I was pondering what I would do in a disaster scenario and al queda terrorists or china troops invaded and all i had was my big bore rifle whether it would penetrate their body armor if they had any advising ingwe on what to with all his spare time
why are you wasting space on my thread. get a life, or go jerk off
advising RockyRaab(former NASA) on space related issues Well your sources must be wrong... they have rocks they brought back from the apollo missions and also they exploded a rocket on the moon and scan the debris and both times found high levels of helium 3
It wouldn't even be that expensive. We have the techonology for space flight, and we have the technology to send satellites across the solar system to mars and jupiter, we can send a robot on mars... it's not too far fetched, especially since the moon is alot closer then mars. The apollo astronaut only took them 3 days to get to the moon. With todays technology much faster. All they need to do is line the dump trucks and equipment with ceramic or similar materials so they don't melt when leaving our atmosphere and come back... fromt he friction. The poles on the moon are ver moderate temperature and don't suffer the extreme as on other parts... you can place equipment there for long periods of time. They were planning on building a lunar outpost
it's definately there, the question is, will politics interfere
on public relations Your a jerk off man, you need to get laid or get a life.. If I saw you in a bar or on the street i'd probably back hand you and make you my girlfriend .. in real life, I would snap your neck. on the .338 Lapua and hunting dangerous game.
This is INSANE... thats more than a .375 H&H and a smaller bullet, this thing must penetrate like heck..
Think it could suffice for the big 5... i'm not talking about what the laws are... the law says you must use a .375 diameter bullet, but laws aside... I think it would even be better then the bigger rounds, except maybe for stopping
more on hunting ethics I don't believe in shotting any animal past 150 or 200 yards, until their is better technology in 10 or 20 years and we have laser like the predators. on his physique
little i'm 285 pounds and can deadlift 800 pounds? I'm not the one who's hiding, your the one who's making comments behind a computer screen. Come to new york i'll take you on. I'm not scared.
on members wives ... and your wives are so ugly you can't even look at them when you wake up in the morning. on why bison are tougher than cape buffalo Thinner? it stands 7-9 feet high at the shoulder, and it has to fight off winter temperatures of -50 degrees fahrenheit with blowing winds at up to 100 miles per hour. It has to fend off packs of wolves that have more endurance then lions and can chase a bison for days without tiring and for 100's of miles. They have to fend off Kodiak and Grizzly bears which can weigh in excess of 1000 and up to 1,500 pounds. They have to fend off cougars also which are the same size as african leopards. So i wouldn't say they don't have to put up with as much. The American bison which are larger then the cape buffalo and the largest species of buffalo in the world weighing in at 3,000 pounds was killed by american frontiersman with a .45-70. If it can work on our bison it can work on your buffalo on safari preparedness
i've battled many things in my life, never dangerous game but packs of dirtbags as a security gaurd at a nightclub... i know what i'm capable of and i'm confident I could pull off a safari with my .45-70 if I had to.
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Wow, I want the last 5 minutes of my life back. That was a horrible read. I'm actually speachless on his comments.
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MagnumThamas - Do you have an hourly rate? I'm going to need a research assistant for my next thesis.  FWIW, I seem to recall a number of the trolls you referenced. Especially those in the Big Bore forum. IF his 45-70 is the cat's jammies and will take anything and everything - why now a .458 Lott?
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And some photos of her finished. [img:center]http:// [/img] [img:center]http:// [/img] Nice stock, nice rifle!
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If you are going for synthetic then you won't need cross bolts. I would get it pillar bedded. I have recently built a .458Lott with a Win70 rechambered .458wn mag to Lott. The barrel is 21" I have used a laminate stock as this will absorbe some recoil and fitted a recoil reducer in the butt. The butt is also slightly wider to disperse the recoil. I have bedded with devcon and fitted bedding blocks. I like the Win70 as its controlled feed with a decent extractor claw. Its also got the three position flag safty on the bolt. The barrel has a second recoil lug half way down the barrel. As I have used lamininate , I have fitted two cross bolts. I have fitted it witha Leupold VXII 1-4X20 with quick relese mounts. I have been using down the range and playing around with loads. Its shooting very well and managable to shoot. I'm pushing a 500gr Barns X @2150fps , which is what I wanted to do from the start. I'm taking her to Africa in August. I do like Savage rifles , I think they are very fine, but I prefare the Win70 as a DG rifle. For what you are going to do with it, I think the Ruger Alaskan would be the one to go for. [img:center]http:// [/img] If they can't offer me a control feed action then i'm not going to build it and i'll get a 416 ruger. I'm still not 100% decided i'm just thinking of my options. Who knows maybe they use a win 70 375 h&h action? I don't know yet i haven't spoken to the guy. Push feed I won't accept though. I really like the 416 ruger alaskan too though.
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it's official - I have a stalker
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are you gay bro? all you can do is stalk another dude and post about him? damn man get a life
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Nope not a stalker, and not gay.
I just hate trolly little pricks like you...
You know the kind of azzhole that talks a big game, asks for advice, and then tells those who try to help why he knows so much better. If my posting your idiotic ramblings keeps someone from wasting their time and effort trying to help you then I have done the forum a good service.
Like I said in your other troll thread... You're the kind of guy has only read stories about getting laid, and then tells eveyone who'll listen how much tail he pulls.
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