Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Reloading Mule Deer and others

What I call the "old-style" search for accurate loads was simply to try as many different combinations of bullet and powder as possible. Some handloaders even went so far as to try different brass and primers.

Among other things I have discovered while playing with all sorts of measuring tools is that one of the reasons some bullets shoot better in certain rifles is that they seat straighter--and the cause isn't always due to the bullets having boattails. Often a flat-based bullet will seat straighter than boattails in the same brass, using the same seating die.

Then there are the necks of the cases. If they're not of the same thickness (within .001" or so) all the way around, then bullets won't end up seated as straightly.

The only way to figure out any of this stuff is with a concentricity gauge--and even then, the loads must be corrected or sorted so that concentricity is reasonably consistent. Otherwise the size of the groups may be due to almost anything.

That's the ticket. If you're shooting bananas, they don't fly straight no matter how carefully the charges were weighed, how uniform the primer pockets are, et cetera.

When you start your post out "Reloading Mule Deer" and others, you are saying that no body else but Mule Deer's opinion"s matter's........
And when Mule Deer replies back he does it in the same fashion........I am GOD this is what I say and other's are foolish to think otherwise.

If you are looking for the truth, phrase your question in a different manner and seek the truth from other's that are not paid to tell you what you want to hear.

Wouldn't that be Reloading Mule Deer and NO others?

NO just means that you are a JB apologist.

You got a little thingy for JB ?

Mule Deer,
You mentioned that for a couple of years you used the Juenke bullet comparator. Have you stopped using it? Have bullets improved to a point that it is no longer necessary?

I'm also wondering if mono-metal bullets are by their nature, well-balanced?

The Juenke machine I had was on loan, and though I could have bought one I eventually decided against it. Several bullet companies started using them to develop bullets and machinery, but bullets improved in general anyway. There are a bunch of well-balanced, accurate bullets out there these days.

Monometal bullets are more easily balanced than lead-core bullets, but they still have to be carefully made. Plus, without lead cores they don't have as much flexbility, so to shoot really well they either have to fil the bores of individual rifles pretty closely, or have features that allow them to do that, such as the grooves on Barnes Triple-Shocks.

The old saying goes "If you cant dazzle them with brizzialance then baffle them with John barsnezz"..... WOW too much stupidity here to try and comprehend tonight, come back tomorrow and try REALITY !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep. You are well endowed with your own brand of stupidity! No need to come back as we all can see clearly just how stupid you really are.

rockhead828 or is it upchuck828,(we'll see how he likes getting his name twisted) just can't seem to recognize the quality of the information we get from JB that we can't get elsewhere.

But hey, this is the internet, which gives everyone the ability(but not the right) to be as wrong or obnoxious as they want to be.

Steve

Don't know if you consider it a component, but a good barrel is pretty important. A runout gauge will tell you real quik how straight or crooked your ammo is. If you are serious about accuracy a runout indicator is a must.

Unbelievable........

What's the deal with all the anger?

You can give your opinion... but this is �Ask The Gunwriters" after all


Geez

Mule Deer,
Thank you for the response. I'm sure you already know this, but some things need to be said anyway. All of us, except for a few that were dropped on their heads when they were babies, appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

doubletap,

You're welcome.

As far as the other issue, one of the great features of the Campfire is the option of putting anybody on "ignore."

What an amazing thread, again revealing Mule Deer's patience.

I have been reloading for more than 25 years with much effort towards obtaining sufficient accuracy for successful long shots (1,000 yards +)on small targets like Montana prairie dogs.

Many of the elements of rifle, optics, and bullet accuracy I have worked out for myself the hard way. Expensive in both money and time, but finally, well learned.

At any rate, I doubt that I have the reloading knowledge or hard-earned skill from experience in my entire body that John Barsness has in his left little finger.

And I am not the only one grateful that he posts here.

For some, the most positive things they can do is to keep their yap closed. Another positive is people who know by experience and sharing without busting out their ego.

And yes, the ignore switch is a good feature.

JB,

I've been trying to think of the best way to put this so I'm going ask this as a question rather than make a statement. Hopefully this will add something to the conversation instead of just stirring the pot.

Considering the OP's original question "What reloading components affect accuracy the most in rifles?" ......

Would a perfect combination of bullet and powder using "as is" or "average" brass be more accurate than a random or poor combination of bullet and powder in perfect brass? Generally speaking.

I absolutely acknowledge the importance of using "good" brass as a foundation for developing accurate handloads. No disagreements there.

Thoughts?

I know you didn't ask me, but I do have an answer.

Yes, as long as the runout isn't really terrible.