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If you where to build your perfect dangerous game rifle what action and configuration would you run. Thanks
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Mauser 98..."A" model style, with the minor alterations needed to make it a .375 H&H.. Simple... Next question?
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REDNECK's building mine as we speak...
Win M70 Classic SS, SS Lilja #5 tube, a hair over 22", NECG Irons, McMillan Echols Legend stock, Luppy 2.5 Heavy Duplex in QD Talleys
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Seems control round would be the overwhelming favorite and reliable although I have had no real issues with push feed, of course it is not a real issue until something decides to make it a real issue.
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Why build one CZ 458 Lott, add a scope if you want!
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Seems control round would be the overwhelming favorite and reliable although I have had no real issues with push feed,.... Start mentioning stuff like that and this thread will go 50+ nasty pages! I figure CRF cause if its good enough for the pros, it oughta be good enough for the tyros....and I like a decent M98 action after having used a number of them in a number of venues for a lot of years, without a bobble...
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M98, .416 Taylor, DST, Redfield 2-7 scope. Got one now, use it a lot, darn thing is kinda like a pick-up truck. ALWAYS dependable and reliable but wouldn't drive one to my wedding.
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Redfield 2-7 scope.
Terry Doooood.....we need to move this over to the optics forum and argue about optics... 1.5-5 Leupy.......
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I have been known to stir it up once in a while. Nothing like a little friendly debate.
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Oh...theres no debate...on the innanet..I'm always right.....
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you guys got it all wrong...NUTTIN" but a fixed for a dgr!
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Oh, NOW you've gone and done it.....
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I'd want to shoot Harry Selby's Rigby just to be sure.
But I have a feeling it would do just fine.
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If we're talking big bores, don't they start at 500 ?
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If you where to build your perfect dangerous game rifle what action and configuration would you run. Thanks Dakota 76 action in 416 Rigby or 404 Jeffries.
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Redfield 2-7 scope.
Terry Doooood.....we need to move this over to the optics forum and argue about optics... 1.5-5 Leupy....... Geez... That is a big bull
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I have built two amazing DG rifles. However there is a very big difference in this topic that is almost never covered. It's significant and maybe the most critical issue to decide upon.
There is a much different requirement to consider based on whether you want a DG back up rifle, or a Dangerous game hunting rifle. The best of each does not always work as well for both.
A scoped rifle you can shoot 100's or 1000's of rounds in practice with and surgically place your bullets to 150 yards is about as good as it gets for a DG hunting rifle. I have had a hunter in my Camp many times now use a 375 to take 100's of DG all species with this combination. He shoots it with Flawless precision and puts the bullets exactly where he wants them. I've never seen him lose anything, and he's taken more DG game then anyone I know outside of PH's and culling operations.
So as far as I'm concerned a precision rifle with a 2.5X8 in 375 with the TSX bullets is about the best combination of comfort level practice and lethal power. -------------------------------------------------------------
As far as DG as backup then the 458 lott with a CRF Model 70 action, and rigid peep sights with a big opening in the peep, machined to a fixed position to maintain a 100 yard zero shooting the 450gr TSX at 2250-2300 fps has never failed to decide matters on anything I have shot with it, nor has it for anyone I know that has used it.
It's a real handful in recoil far exceeding the ability of many people. Bigger is great, but very few will practice enough with anything bigger then the 375HH or the 416 to really become an accomplished DG shooter at close range in charge conditions. And far fewer will ever get a second shot with rifles any bigger unless shooting a double rifle.
I have never seen a single man pass the PH course using anything bigger then the 416, and then only a handful have done it with the 416 ( that I know of or have seen)
So thats my opinion bang away and dissect it if you like. Everyone has an opinion!
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If we're talking big bores, don't they start at 500 ? If you're shooting any 500 bigger than a 500 S&W off the bench, you're more of a man than me....
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Why build one when you can buy one and just put a scope on it and be done. Just buy a box of shells with the picture of the animal on it you wish to kill then take the box of shells to the salesman and tell him you want a rifle to shoot these shells. Simple...
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Jim, a couple of slight deviations from your post; While I am totally on board with your choice of the CRF Model 70 in 458Lott as the real PH backup rifle, I would much prefer a shallow V rear sight than a peep. To me a peep is more of a precision sight and if memory serves me correctly, in John Taylor's opinion a peep could get you killed in a DG close charge scenario. There was an article I think written by our own 458Win (Phil Shoemaker) where they ran a low power scoped rifle vs open sights in close in DG scenarios and the scope won hands down. Also I know more than just a few PHs that have passed the PH exam at Rifa in Zim which as you know has the reputation of being the most rigorous of all. Just my thoughts..
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