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Those sorts of mistakes are inevitable, which is why such raids need outlawing yesterday. SWAT was designed to respond to an already hot situation, not meant to issue search warrants. That has to stop. It's a surefire formula for tyranny. Search warrants need to be issued in a non-violent manner in order to serve their intended function, which is to allow the home owner to understand that a court has properly authorized the search so that he knows not to resist with violence.

Remember, any forced entry into a home in a free society is presumed to be done by those who mean to criminally harm you, and therefore violent resistance, in a free society, is the norm. The purpose of the warrant is to demonstrate that no violent resistance is needed, because the people seeking entry are acting on extra-ordinary legal authority from the courts. So cops need to knock, wait for an answer like a normal person (not dressed like soldiers), and show the home-owner the legal proof of their authority to enter, giving him time to verify its validity and cooperate with the lawful order. No exceptions. All errors must be made on the side of the rights of the individual, not the convenience or safety of the police (if you don't want a dangerous job, do something else), or for the ultimate success of the prosecutors.

Police today are trained to go home safe after their shift no matter what it takes to do that. Unfortunately, to many police shoot first and ask questions later.

Yep.

I remember when the TV show "SWAT" first came out. The TV ad said, "When the you are in trouble you call the police. When the police are in trouble they call SWAT." Unfortunately, that's not the story today.

Right. That's the only possible justification for a special militarized police unit, and even that's pushing it in a free society. They've gone completely overboard. That's the nature of slippery slopes, though. For that reason, you have to stay far clear of them to avoid the fall all the way down.

With only Ginsberg to fight against them, not much chance of anything improving soon.

When/if the IN decision goes national, so too goes any deference to a badge or uniform.

+1

Wow, I guess I'm in the minority here: I would at least remain neutral on this one until all the facts come out, last time I checked the police are not the enemy, they are putting their butts on the line to protect us, just like that Marine did...

I dis-agree with it being panic shooting. If it would have been panic shooting they would have missed most of those shots not hit them.

Dink

They are not supposed to be our enemies, for sure. But if they're violating our fundamental rights, such as to remain secure in our homes, to that extent, the times they are a-changing.

That wouldn't be good enough for me if it were my father/brother/son who was killed. I'd want them ALL DEAD, no if ands or buts, preferably by my hand.

Over my lifetime I have gone from the utmost respect for Law Enforcement to a deep loathing for what they have become. My wife worked for our local force for six years and has lost her respect for LEO in general. Excessive force and lethal trampling of basic individual rights need to be reined in, and present SWAT teams need to be disbanded. Start over with a different philosophy...Protect life first, and stop the knock and crash mindset.

If this offends the good and responsible LEO here, I apologize to them. I still feel as I do, however.

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Keep that caution front and center,schoolmarm!

There have been home invasions around here where the criminals were wearing tactical gear.

This kind of SWAT crap makes the Heller case ruling on the right of self defense a sad joke. Exercise your rights with peril.

I believe that I feel that very same way.

Blackheart;

I can't/won't say what I'd like to see happen if the idea I put out wouldn't fly...

Crazy; not stupid.

The excuse for all this was the war on [some] drugs. That needs to go. If neither party to a transaction can be considered a victim, then no cops need to be involved.

Uh...that's not the kind of protection I want.

Brought to you by a graduate of the Hitler/Nietzsche school of legal brief writing. Damn you're dumb.