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He is presumed innocent, however a Judge somewhere signed off that there was probable cause for the search warrant. Hard to judge the team since none of us were there. That said if someone in the house, marine or not, safety on or not, is pointing a rifle at them, theres going to be some shooting. Like LT said it dosn't take long to fire 71 rounds with sub guns and shot guns.

Hmmmm....seems as if I recall that the local sheriff in Waco made a comment that David Koresh made frequent trips to town by himself and that he could have been taken a lot easier that way!!

That would seem to 'fit' any suspect IMO....and I've arrested quite a few folks in my day!!

This sounds like the age old questions all LEO's get from the kids of the suspect.

You don't know my mom or dad did that, why are You doing this to my mom or dad?

Why are You so mean?

Its all Your fault mom or dad is going to jail.

Question for all LEO's how do you answer these kids?

I say I'm not doing this, Your Mom or Dad has caused this to happen. You should ask Mom or Dad why they are going to jail.

TRH seems confused in what it takes to issue a warrant (search or arrest) or to arrest someone.

HINT its "probable cause" not "beyond a reasonable doubt", thats what it takes to convict someone in a criminal case.

That would be an option in the case of an arrest warrant, but wasn't this a search warrant?

This is why I do not like these threads....I say that first impression is that something smells funny...then after Bob's news report...I say it smells less funny but still something aint right...then I have TRH +1'ing me...and I have to go find some toilet paper and wipe the possibility of becoming KOTY off me...

I apologize for my ignorance, KOTY?

Give the Gestapo a break. At least no innocent dogs were shot in this murder

+1.

Kook of the Year.

Ah Ha, Thank You Sir...

I used quick reply...was meant for the general population...and KDK was correct...KOTY = Kook of the year...a title that is well deserved by TRH...

From experience I jumped straight to the last page to see if there were any updated facts...assuming of course the preceding 12 pages were full of rants and speculation?

Now I will comment since KDK educated me on KOTY, thanks again.

Its a very emotional case and written in a way to cause that reaction "SWAT kills Marine in his home" Lots of folks some even at the campfire rush to judgement, TRH tends to do this especially when it involves cops.

I think it was LT Powell that said unless you were there its best to reserve judgement until the facts come out. Thats what I learned in the academy years ago and it has served me well and continues to do so. If the cops were in the wrong it will come out, and they will be held accountable. If they are innocent that will come out too. Remember the DUKE athletes the media was so sure rapped the stripper? Snap judgement sure didn't help them.

Lord knows our justice system is not perfect but its the best going.

Just my 2 cents, which does not matter at all...

I have no idea what happened, I was not there.

I have feelings for both parties involved. I like Marines and cops.

The cops wanted to go home to their families. The Marine's family lost a member of the family.

It sucks no matter which way you look at it.

Mistakes were made.

I didn't see the news report where this was being tried as such.

I think there's plenty of time yet for a new KOTY to show up.

Your correct Mac, I didn't mean to insinuate they were on trial...

A search warrant is issued when a reasonable person would believe, based on information currently available, that there is a better than even chance that criminal evidence is located at the residence. This does not establish a presumption of guilt. All are to be presumed by agents of the state innocent of a crime until proven otherwise in a court of law.

While I favor the keeping of the peace, and thus peace officers, I cannot be, without reservation, pro law enforcement, because these days many of our laws are entirely tyrannical. When an agent of state enforces them, therefore, he is enforcing tyranny, which is why I often refer to cops as tyranny enforcers to be more precise. A peace officer only responds to authentic victimization and disturbances of the civil order, and is not an unthinking enforcer of laws. After all, the German Gestapo were law enforcers too, but they were not peace officers, therefore a moral person, it seems to me, cannot simply take a pro law enforcement stance.