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Calling a 30 second knock and crash, NOT a No-Knock warrant, is like saying you didn't rape the girl, because she was unable to say "no" with the duct tape over her mouth. Well said again, and spot on.
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Right. And, you never served a day. Your father did.
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That's the exact point I intended to confirm.
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Exactly.
FWIW, and to further that point, your step-daughters could and would get a better auto insurance rate, simply by association with a grandfather who served, than I could, even though I served and my driving record is rather impeccable (not to mention being a far lower actuarial risk than a teenaged kid).
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My stepdaughter has better rates than I do and her vehicle is 2 years old. I couldn't believe it and she's had 1 fender bender and a ticket.
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Among the reasons that USAA doesn't get my business.
Compounded, of course, by their transient rules as to who does/doesn't qualify for coverage.
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Calling a 30 second knock and crash, NOT a No-Knock warrant, is like saying you didn't rape the girl, because she was unable to say "no" with the duct tape over her mouth. Not so, says the SCOTUS. Ah, no. Better check Wilson vs. Arkansas. Announce presence AND provide residents with an opportunity to open the door. There are mitigating factors to avoid the wait, but they must be proven. The most obvious being imminent danger to the LEO's. They're going to have a hard time with that, since they stated that they backed out of the home AFTER recognizing the target was armed. There goes... "we went in because we saw he had a rifle" right down the shytter.
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I love USAA. NFCU,on the other hand, has really been pissing me off,lately.
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USAA does great for those that it takes, when it decides to take them, and if they can stomach being discriminated against if prior service and not an officer.
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Exactly.
FWIW, and to further that point, your step-daughters could and would get a better auto insurance rate, simply by association with a grandfather who served, than I could, even though I served and my driving record is rather impeccable (not to mention being a far lower actuarial risk than a teenaged kid). I'm with USAA and that is annoying. However they have at least allowed former enlisted that didn't join during active duty, to now join. Didn't help me since I'm on through my wife who is on, because her father was an officer. LOL makes sense, right?
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No, they still decide who gets in and who doesn't. They determine what qualifications, discharge (their own definitions of "honorable" as sufficient"), and all the rest.
Oh, and even if you get in, you're still charged more than the grandchild of an officer, who that child and that child's parent, never served a day.
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There's more. Get this...my father put 1000.00 into a NFCU account when my son was born. He'll be 24 years old in August. NFCU is already courting him as a esteemed 25 year member and touting the benefits he'll receive because of it....like a automatic savings of 1 further point on loan transactions..
My son didn't even know of the account until last month.
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No, they still decide who gets in and who doesn't. They determine what qualifications, discharge (their own definitions of "honorable" as sufficient"), and all the rest.
Oh, and even if you get in, you're still charged more than the grandchild of an officer, who that child and that child's parent, never served a day. That's what I was saying. I got in through my wife who didn't serve, who got in through her officer father. When they opened it up to former enlisted, I asked about getting my own account and was told, "sure, you qualify" but your rates would be higher due to my wife's account getting length of insured discounts. They didn't mention "officer" discounts, but that is possible.
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That, I can understand. He had an account there, even if he didn't know it.
That, makes sense.
Giving preference points to a kid whose parent wasn't even thought of, much less the kid, when Granddad served one hitch as a butter bar.... over a lifer E-8.... is patently ridiculous.
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One thing seems abundantly clear at this point: some folks are not about to let the facts (or the lack thereof) get in the way of their agenda.
I am seeing distinct parallels these days with what went on during the Vietnam era when people took out their dislike/distrust of the Federal government and it's policies on the troops.
At least we learned from that sorry chapter, and once again hold our troops in high esteem, even if we differ in our views of the wars.
Now, it seems that many are taking out their frustrations with the goverment, and/or the current adminsitration, on public employees in general, and peace officers in particular...
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One thing seems abundantly clear at this point: some folks are not about to let the facts (or the lack thereof) get in the way of their agenda.
I am seeing distinct parallels these days with what went on during the Vietnam era when people took out their dislike/distrust of the Federal government and it's policies on the troops.
At least we learned from that sorry chapter, and once again hold our troops in high esteem, even if we differ in our views of the wars.
Now, it seems that many are taking out their frustrations with the goverment, and/or the current adminsitration, on public employees in general, and peace officers in particular...
What a crock of shyt.
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Calling a 30 second knock and crash, NOT a No-Knock warrant, is like saying you didn't rape the girl, because she was unable to say "no" with the duct tape over her mouth. Not so, says the SCOTUS. Ah, no. Better check Wilson vs. Arkansas. Announce presence AND provide residents with an opportunity to open the door. There are mitigating factors to avoid the wait, but they must be proven. The most obvious being imminent danger to the LEO's. They're going to have a hard time with that, since they stated that they backed out of the home AFTER recognizing the target was armed. There goes... "we went in because we saw he had a rifle" right down the shytter. Ah no...United States VS Banks... LINK 15-20 seconds was enough time for Banks, who was in the shower and never heard the knocks. You can disagree with the reasonableness of 30 seconds, but it does not violate what the SCOTUS has set as a similar precedent, which is all I was saying.
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your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Foxbat: how dare anyone differ with you...
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15-20 seconds was enough time for Banks, who was in the shower and never heard the knocks.
You can disagree with the reasonableness of 30 seconds, but it does violate what the SCOTUS has set as a similar precedent, which is all I was saying. If someone doesn't answer, come back a few hours later, or the next day and knock again. A search warrant was never intended to be an execution order, and convenience of the cops be damned if avoiding inconvenience means you have to batter someone's door down, guns at the ready, because he was in the shower or asleep when you knocked.
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Storie will be representing the five SWAT members who fired more than 70 shots at Jose Guerena, ultimately killing him. A thought popped into my head just now, mostly unrelated: do LEO keep a guy like this on retainer, just in case, or did they go out and find a lawyer after the incident went down?
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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He's likely an attorney hired by the city's insurance company.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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