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There are lots of reasons to seek a search warrant instead of an arrest warrant...
You don't have to disclose the identity of an undercover officer (if one was involved) on a search warrant but you do for an arrest warrant. That would make a difference in an on going investigation if more suspects are involved, which the article indicates is the case.
But mostly because I don't want just enough evidence for an arrest. I want enough evidence for a conviction of a bad guy. Hence the search warrant and subsequent gathering of evidence before an arrest. Sure, I can see that. But can't you pick him up for questioning and then WHILE he's down at the department execute that search warrant with minimal chance of LEO's or his family getting hurt? No adrenaline rush in that. Not to mention, you've got to justify all that expensive SWAT equipment and training. The guys having the rush probably aren't the ones requesting the particular warrant. I think many PD's are experiencing the same shyt that the rest of the business and government world is, meritocracy went out the door, when they had to fill middle and upper management with chicks, dykes, [bleep], political as$ kissers and minorities. I see stuff like this as bad management/command, not necessarily bad cops.
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Sure, I can see that. But can't you pick him up for questioning and then WHILE he's down at the department execute that search warrant with minimal chance of LEO's or his family getting hurt? Yes, we "kidnap" people all the time to take 'em back and run warrants, but it doesn't work in the multiple warrant simultaniously thing.
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I think many PD's are experiencing the same shyt that the rest of the business and government world is, meritocracy went out the door, when they had to fill middle and upper management with chicks, dykes, [bleep] and minorities.
I see stuff like this as bad management/command, not necessarily bad cops.
Good point.
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I think many PD's are experiencing the same shyt that the rest of the business and government world is, meritocracy went out the door, when they had to fill middle and upper management with chicks, dykes, [bleep] and minorities. I see stuff like this as bad management/command, not necessarily bad cops. I don't see bad cops either. I do see bad doctrine and policy
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The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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I think many PD's are experiencing the same shyt that the rest of the business and government world is, meritocracy went out the door, when they had to fill middle and upper management with chicks, dykes, [bleep] and minorities. I see stuff like this as bad management/command, not necessarily bad cops. I don't see bad cops either. I do see bad doctrine and policy Then I'd kindly ask you to refrain from calling the SWAT Team murderers.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Now we are on to something.
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Then I'd kindly ask you to refrain from calling the SWAT Team murderers.
I never called them murderers though what they did is murder. They snuffed out a man's life unnecessarily due to doctrine and training. I don't like what happened in light of the Indiana Supreme court recent ruling against our 4th amendment rights and how cops are behaving in Philly. They need to be trained correctly. They, the police, are ignorant of the law which as they tell us is never an excuse. They are harassing honest civilians and violating OUR rights. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...y-open-carry-gun-owners/?test=latestnews
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Bristoe;
You've never done a damned thing, except reach for an open bottle. Don't try to make like you'd do any if/when push comes to shove. Or you'll whup my ass out by the see saws, I suppose. Shut da fug up, piss ant.
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I never called them murderers though what they did is murder. That's absurd. If they committed murder, they're murderers. Are they or not? Keep in mind, lotsa folks call our boys in uniform murderers, based on bad decisions made by the people calling the shots (commanders / politicians / etc.).
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Then they are murders. Eat it.
I see a trend taking place in our country that I don't like.
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I never called them murderers though what they did is murder. That's absurd. If they committed murder, they're murderers. Are they or not? Keep in mind, lotsa folks call our boys in uniform murderers, based on bad decisions made by the people calling the shots (commanders / politicians / etc.). There's a subtle distinction, but an important one. If one in authority sets in motion a chain of events that he should have know had a high likelihood of resulting in someone's death, the end operators don't bear the full quantum of blame (likely something less than murder in this case, but not without any blame). The full quantum (murder proper) belongs to the one in authority who set in motion said chain of events.
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Then they are murders. Eat it.
I see a trend taking place in our country that I don't like.
As do I, and nor do I.
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Y'all need to quit talkin' like that, Ya gonna get VAnimrod all worked up and he'll start runnin' his peter puffer at ya.
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He's a scrapper too!
Just ask him. He'll tell ya.
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He's a scrapper too!
Just ask him. He'll tell ya. Oh, I know it.
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Well,...you can call me a "kook" if you want,...but government sanctioned home invasions ain't gonna fly in this country for long.
Some people take the killing of their family members pretty seriously,..and the fact that it was at the hands of a cop is incidental to them. I don't remember calling you one. I leave the interpretation of who's kooky to the masses. as evidence by the KOTY thread. grin
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Well,...you can call me a "kook" if you want,...but government sanctioned home invasions ain't gonna fly in this country for long.
Some people take the killing of their family members pretty seriously,..and the fact that it was at the hands of a cop is incidental to them. I don't remember calling you one. I leave the interpretation of who's kooky to the masses. as evidence by the KOTY thread. grin The masses are kooky.
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How the hell did we get this far off the original story. As I read it the wife spotted one of the SWAT guys at a bedroom window pointing a gun and hollered to the husband, I don't remember the part about the Knock & crash. Did I miss something.
I ain't gonna fault anybody unless I am made privy to the entire story. Sheesh, remember that the word assume breaks do to ass-out-of-U & Me.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
Old cat turd!
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The Police are claiming that the deceased was a member of a drug/home invasion ring that had been working the area. The cops say they found body armor, weapons, and a "piece" of a cop uniform. All of which a member of the military might have,..except for the piece of uniform, don't know what that might be. Couldn't find the text, but here's a video that's up to date. [b][color:#3333FF]Video Clip...![/color][/b]There's definetly more to the story. Either the deceased was dirty, or the cops are trying to cover up a mistake.
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