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I guess"reports" is the wrong word.I was referring to statements made to the press by PD officials.I have not tried to get any information other than what was pasted in the opening pages of this thread.I believe that those statements alone are proof of a terribly flawed police operation.

Others - and I am mystified by it - see it differently.

Hey, don't use my name in vain!

Ah yes, the WAR ON DRUGS justifies all.

Did he know they were legit? I don't know any more than you have proof the cops were trigger happy or dirty, or whether his actions were of a guilty man or not. I won't put a stamp either....

Were all parties involved acting stupidly? I believe so; the cops didn't need to kick down the door and this guy packing when it happened sealed his fate.

If the evidence seized makes him guilty it was at a high price, too high for the police to get it and the guy gave himself his justice.
If the evidence seized proves nothing, a dude just got wasted because the police didn't exercise a plethora of options to prevent a shooting (of which they could have been killed as well) and is just as stupid.

A warrant serving being legit and being intelligent are two different things. I can yell "[bleep] you" in a church and be legit in doing so; I don't expect the recipients and collateral of my behavior to appreciate my legitimacy, which is what some of these evidence seaches have become in some places, plus it puts your officers in a situation where they have few options as opposed to many.

That's kind of the crux of it.
In Arizona there have been home invasions where the perpetrators were wearing armor and nice black vests with "POLICE" on them.

"Oh my, Would it be too much to wait for the real facts (un spun) to surface ?"

Clear that's not gonna happen with all the testosterone dripping on the keyboards!

I can only defend the "trigger happy" adjective by pointing to 71 shots fired when you ain't been shot back at.But as Bob pointed out , if the shooting is determined as being OK, the number of shots doesn't matter.

I agree with your comments .

I can't speak for that particular SWAT team. If it takes over an hour to secure a small home to make it safe enough for EMT's to get in that would make me curious as to what all was in the home to make it so dangerous. I'm thinking someone hit 60 times is dead instantly and not much can be done but removing them from the scene. Keep in mind there are a minimum of two sides to every story and what you tube and the media put out are never admissible in court or even close to accurate. They both have self serving goals and it is not for our benefit. I WOULD BASE MY OPINION ON THE COURT REPORTS and those are public record for everyone to read.

Exactly what should happen instead of posting every anti video that surfaces on you tube. But the cops should sit and wait asking nicely until they are shot.

I'm surprised S.W.A.T. members aren't carrying the old "Tommy Gun" complete with 50 round drums... At a distance of 8-12 feet one officer could put all the knock down power required dead center without the need of so many other officers being put in harms way!

Of course at a distance 8-12 feet, one bean bag to the chest would have taken him down.... while the others were prepared to shoot if necessary!

That being said, I won't pass judgement, but sure would like to know what the officers "Expected" to find, or for what reason the warrant was issued!



Phil

It has become painfully obvious in the course of this thread that closed minds are not exclusive to the "cop bashers".It is refreshing when a LEO can find at least something to critcize about this deal without "waiting for more facts".

Might as well wish for ALL the truth about the Waco raid to be divulged.Or the Kennedy killing.

Of course, here on the 'fire , thoughts such as these mark one as a "conspiracy theorist".

You stated your outrage at the presumption of innocence granted the police by some posters, when prior to a trial, everyone is granted the presumption of innocence by our U.S. Constitution; it's a cornerstone of our legal system. To base any conclusion on media reports is pure ignorance and a pitifully poor understanding of the media in this country. Every post you make just showcases your ignorance for all to see. It is quite amusing.

If you can't find anything about this deal to criticize the cops for , you are not amusing,you are sad.And if you are a cop , I'm glad you don't live around me.

Involving SWAT to administer a search warrant is a bit overkill
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Actually,it's near SOP when it's a simultaneous issuance amongst several residences in matters related to gang style home invasions.

It a guaranteed when you do several warrants. It takes extra manpower to do that kind of stuff. SWAT gets the ones with the highest known risk.

Including the guy who was shot 60 times in his own home. Now, of course, he'll never get the chance to be tried by a jury of his peers.

I mentioned that a few pages back .It don't count .In fact - I don't know if you've noticed this - unless you are a cop or a lawyer , nothing you post counts.

Hmmmmmm..... from the deep recesses of my memory , back before you added the redux , it seems YOU might be qualified to offer an opinion .

Bob, I realize when and why SWAT is used and when it is, it pays to have your schit together. My point it it doesn't look like this crew did.

I know enough about them it doesn't matter if there is one dude and a baby nursery or a genuine crack house, anyone so much as wielding a butter knife is going to get shot; its up to the police to know what they are entering and controlling the situation, and this crew bears some responsibility when it appears they didn't.

I'm interested in to what qualifies as a "gang style" home invasion and how one protects themself against such?

You mentioned "gang style home invasions" earlier but the cops claim the search warrant was for narcotics.Did I miss something in the newspaper account?