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How about this,Sam. Docs released and, amongst other things of importance, look at what was seized from the 4 searched homes.
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Complex drug probe triggered SWAT raid
By Fernanda Echavarri Arizona Daily Star Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:01 am

The man shot and killed by SWAT officers, as well as his brother and another man, were listed as suspects in a complex drug investigation being conducted by the Sheriff's Department, according to documents released Thursday.

That investigation was the reason heavily armed SWAT officers went to Jose Guerena's house to serve a search warrant that ended in his fatal shooting May 5, reports show.

More than 500 pages of officers' statements, evidence lists and witness interviews were released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department. Also released were audiotapes from the shooting scene, radio transmissions and other communications made by law enforcement personnel during the serving of search warrants on four homes on the southwest side.

A short video showing Pima County Regional SWAT team members serving the warrant was also released. The written documents detail what sheriff's personnel did during the incident.

The short video recording shows that deputies approaching Jose Guerena's home turned the sirens on for a few seconds as they approached. It also shows them announcing themselves, then knocking down the front door and firing their guns.

Audiotapes reveal that no SWAT officers entered Guerena's house. Law enforcement officers went into his home only after a robot was sent in and it was determined about an hour after the shooting that Guerena, a former Marine, was dead.

The reports state Jose Guerena; his brother, Alejandro; and Jose Celaya were named as suspects in briefings given to officers before the search warrants were served. Many of the officers' reports refer to the sheriff's long-term drug investigation as the reason for the search warrants.

Reports show about $100,000 in cash, marijuana and firearms were seized that morning from the four homes that were searched.

Items found in Jose Guerena's house included: a Colt .38-caliber handgun, paperwork, tax returns, insurance papers, bank statements and a bank card, reports showed.

Another report said detectives found body armor in a hallway closet and a U.S. Border Patrol hat in the garage.

Some search warrant documents remained sealed and were not released Thursday.

In the video released by the Sheriff's Department, about five SWAT team members are seen jumping out of the vehicle with shields, helmets and bulletproof vests, all marked "POLICE" across the front and back. The sirens stop and the officers begin shouting "Police, search warrant, open the door," alternating with the same command in Spanish three times before they break down the front door of Guerena's house.

A couple of seconds after the door is opened, one officers says, "Hit him," and all the officers begin shooting from the doorway.

One of the officers falls down a couple of seconds after they open fire, and then all SWAT team members back away from the door, the video shows.

The Sheriff's Department said previously that Guerena pointed an AR-15 rifle at officers as they entered the home. It was determined that Guerena did not fire at officers.

At 9:34 a.m., the audiotapes reveal that SWAT officers began what would be about 30 minutes of repeating in English and Spanish: "It's the Pima County Sheriff's Department SWAT team. Anyone inside the house, come out with your hands up, no weapons in your hands."

Michael Storie, an attorney representing the five SWAT officers who shot at Guerena, said last week that all those officers were separated immediately after the shooting so they could be interviewed and provide objective statements of what happened. The audiotapes reveal that after about 45 minutes, all the SWAT officers are together. They can be heard talking about what happened, according to tape recordings made at the scene.

"That was um, like a movie, the way he jumped out," said the SWAT team leader.

"Well, he waited, he waited and once Hector came up ..." said another SWAT member just before being interrupted by the SWAT leader who said, "What did he say?" Hector is the name of one of the SWAT officers.

Two other voices say they "couldn't hear anything" and that they didn't know if Jose Guerena said anything before the shooting began.

"He yelled something, 'I got something for you' or something," the SWAT leader told them, according to the audiotapes.

The Sheriff's Department said previously that Guerena said something as he pointed his gun at officers.

"I just started boom, boom, boom, boom," said another voice on the tape.

"Yeah, we were all out of ammo when we got back," the SWAT leader said.

While this conversation is going on outside, the robot was sent into the house to check on Jose Guerena, who was shot at least 60 times.

A SWAT deputy directed the robot into the home and observed Guerena lying face down in the kitchen area.

The deputy operating the robot used its arm to apply pressure to Guerena to see if he would respond.

He then used the robot to push down on Guerena's lower and middle back several times but received no response.

While outside, a SWAT member asked the team leader if they were going inside the house. The team leader can be heard on the tape saying no, and the team member said, "Why not? ... Might as well finish what I started."

The deputy operating the robot did not see Guerena's chest rising or falling, as if he were breathing, and said he was "Code 900" or dead, about 50 minutes into the audiotape.

One officer wrote in a report that in a briefing before the incident he was told there was an ongoing narcotics investigation and that suspects may be linked to a double homicide.

Other officers were briefed about a double slaying in Tucson in which a man and his wife were killed during a home invasion that was witnessed by the couple's young daughter.

According to a report, a detective interviewing Jose Guerena's younger brother, Jesus Gerardo Guerena, asked him about the slayings of Manuel and Cynthia Orozco. Jesus Guerena said he knew the couple because they were related to his brother Alejandro's wife.

According to Star archives, Manuel and Cynthia Orozco were killed during a home invasion in March 2010.

A second home

A second SWAT team served a search warrant at a nearby house in the 6200 block of Oklahoma Street at the same time as the shooting. Later that morning officers also served a warrant at two other houses all related to the same investigation, the reports show.

Detective John Mawhinney wrote in his report that he conducted a search of the residence in the 6200 block of West Oklahoma Street in connection with this case and found a large shoebox full of cash under a bed.

A later tally showed the box contained nearly $94,000. He also found a bag of marijuana in the stove and ammunition, his report stated.

Inside the home on Oklahoma, a report states, an AK-47 rifle was found. Guns and ballistic vests were found at several of the residences, the reports show.

Seven vehicles were also found at the house on Oklahoma. Several reports indicated drug dogs used in searches at the house alerted officers to the smell of narcotics on most of the vehicles there.

While investigators were searching the Oklahoma residence, a pickup truck pulled up to the house. A report states that Alejandro Guerena was driving the truck. He was detained.

The report states Alejandro Guerena told investigators there was a "pistola" in the truck. Detectives recovered a .45-caliber handgun from the vehicle.

WIFE INTERVIEWED

Also released were statements made after the shooting by Vanessa Guerena, Jose Guerena's wife.

She and the couple's young son were in the home at the time of the shooting.

She described having to talk to her 4-year-old son about his father after he asked what had happened to his dad. She told him he had been shot but would be OK.

"All I want to know, if he's alive," she told a detective.

The detective replied: "I'm sorry, he died."

"No! What were you guys thinking?" she said.

The detective told her the team was serving a search warrant and "never intended on shooting him. That was not the intention."

Vanessa Guerena said her husband was left alone for a long time after the shooting.

She said her son told her, "Mommy, I saw my daddy on the floor, with all this blood. What happened? Is he gonna be OK?' "

The Sheriff's Department would not comment on the reports and tapes.



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How about this,Sam. Docs released and, amongst other things of importance, look at what was seized from the 4 searched homes.
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Complex drug probe triggered SWAT raid
By Fernanda Echavarri Arizona Daily Star Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:01 am



Complex and sheriff's department don't belong in the same sentence.

Wellll...I've been very curious regarding the logistics of this multi-pronged drug raid. Since you say it wasn't complex, then it must have been simple! Enlighten us...tell exactly how the Sheriff's Department conducted the multi-pronged drug raid in such a simple manner.

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Non profit municipal government workers vs. low level pot dealers. The war on drugs... Which non profit municipal, tax supported "agency" do you or did you work for?




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Non profit municipal government workers vs. low level pot dealers. The war on drugs... Which non profit municipal, tax supported "agency" do you or did you work for?





Did you miss the home invasion part and the double homicide?

94k in a shoe box is not a low level pot dealer...In this part of the country anyway.

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My guess,emphasis MY GUESS, is that you'll soon see the Guerera brothers were smuggling drugs for the cartels and also engaged in other local enterprises on the side.


Which you don't seem to understand, isn't the point. What that video posted represented was an extrajudical killing, either by intent or malfeasance, the result is the same, and the result is the responsibility of the people who authorized the raid.

SF ODA's have been going to 3rd world countries and teaching classes on the rule of law and how you can't just kick people's doors in and kill their azz, even if you are sure they are guilty of something. This fact seems lost on your dumbazz, and the fact you probably have turned down judgeships in the past is a sobering thought. Keep your powder dry boys, this country is gonna get absolutely scary before much longer.

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Non profit municipal government workers vs. low level pot dealers. The war on drugs... Which non profit municipal, tax supported "agency" do you or did you work for?





Did you miss the home invasion part and the double homicide?

94k in a shoe box is not a low level pot dealer...In this part of the country anyway.

Dink


My bad. These were Mexicans. Never mind, forget that this guy served his country. Oh my god a .38 special too!

A million "Dinksters" out there trying to earn their keep, get their pensions, either by ticketing or home invasion.

Buy corporate manufactured opioids and be safe, for now.

Government workers, municipal government workers, post office.... Just imagine the management, aaayy cabron!

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Non profit municipal government workers vs. low level pot dealers. The war on drugs... Which non profit municipal, tax supported "agency" do you or did you work for?



Did you miss the home invasion part and the double homicide?

94k in a shoe box is not a low level pot dealer...In this part of the country anyway.

Dink


Dink, the double homicide was the wife's family who were killed in a home invasion, not connected to this group. Unless I missed another double homicide in a different article.


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You did but it was easy to get confused the way it was reported. All or some of the suspects within this Marine's home and the other 3-4 homes are possible suspects in for a home invasion in which 2 killings occurred.


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Remember, the firefight didn't start until quite a bit after the door was blown
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Is less than 5 seconds,maybe more like 3 seconds,quite a bit of time in your opinion? The 5 or 6 cops had one assault rifle and the rest were using handguns. It appears that one of the handgun using cops , outside the small perimeter of the shield-bearing entry member and his back-up, heard his SWAT team member shoot his assault rifle and believed it may have been fired by Guerera. Guerera raising his rifle to engage SWAT immediately prompted the order for SWAT to engage,which they did. Who fired first isn't relevant and, there would be no reason to deceive as there isn't any dispute that Guerera engaged the officers. The correction was quickly noted the same day and it's about as irrelevant as the safety's positioning.



I have door blown at :33, first shots at :41, so roughly 7-8 seconds.

7-8 seconds is a long time to confuse the sound of the door and first shot, that was the point. As well, it shows the confusion in stories going through the Shyster and causes one to consider stories like a bloodthirsty Guerena yelling "I got something for you", is more the result of one of the SWAT team watching Scarface too many times.

The Marine, just a few years out was so hungry to play death by cop, that he rushed them doing his Tony Montana impression, but forgot to take the safety off..... whistle


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No reason to get excited Bob. This was a simple raid carried out by tax-funded municipal employees against low-level pot smuglers, who, oh, yeah, invaded homes and killed two people. Must have been those misdemeanor murders I've heard about. Nothing to get too excited about.

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From what I understand, the time from him coming from around the corridor wall with his weapon till the shooting was 3-4 seconds. As I mentioned earlier, the outside handgun cop,with his view obstructed,heard his AR cop shoot while, at or right near the same time, the shield cop stumbled and the cop instinctively assumed it came from the Marine and that the shield stumbler might have taken a strike.

All irrelevant though and I'm guessing the Marine had about 5-7 lethals by then.

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I don't know what a UBB buddy is, and I didn't invite any of them. I haven't looked at my own profile in years. I live in the Southern part of Illinausea.


Just staying out the heat, drinking a beer before I go out again. Just a heads up, I would remove him, its bad [bleep].

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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
No reason to get excited Bob. This was a simple raid carried out by tax-funded municipal employees against low-level pot smuglers, who, oh, yeah, invaded homes and killed two people. Must have been those misdemeanor murders I've heard about. Nothing to get too excited about.

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That's the implication and those are a few of the possible charges I can think of but my guesses are going to have to be close to a near precise,factual reality before I grab any bravado. I know I don't have your expertise as to your street and field work but I have personally seen what a unreliable,low-life POS informant can do to really F things up from the bottom to the top of the food chain.

From what I've gathered from reading some horribly written news articles,from comments here that made me look further and deeper and from my own gut instincts(which have not always been right but often reliable),I do not feel this will turn out well for the Guerera family. And, if I'm wrong, I hope I find out just minutes before I board my flight to Africa.


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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
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How about this,Sam. Docs released and, amongst other things of importance, look at what was seized from the 4 searched homes.
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Complex drug probe triggered SWAT raid
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Complex and sheriff's department don't belong in the same sentence.

Wellll...I've been very curious regarding the logistics of this multi-pronged drug raid. Since you say it wasn't complex, then it must have been simple! Enlighten us...tell exactly how the Sheriff's Department conducted the multi-pronged drug raid in such a simple manner.


From the precision , dedication , and discipline exhibited by Sheriff Dupnik's Swat team ,we should expect that the detectives working the investigation were of the same caliber.


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My guess,emphasis MY GUESS, is that you'll soon see the Guerera brothers were smuggling drugs for the cartels and also engaged in other local enterprises on the side.


Which you don't seem to understand, isn't the point. What that video posted represented was an extrajudical killing, either by intent or malfeasance, the result is the same, and the result is the responsibility of the people who authorized the raid.

SF ODA's have been going to 3rd world countries and teaching classes on the rule of law and how you can't just kick people's doors in and kill their azz, even if you are sure they are guilty of something. This fact seems lost on your dumbazz, and the fact you probably have turned down judgeships in the past is a sobering thought. Keep your powder dry boys, this country is gonna get absolutely scary before much longer.
Well said, and unfortunately spot on.

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BS is arguing...

Who, or what, is BS?


See minidood,that and learning about UBB makes two things you've learned just in the last couple of days.

You said earlier you have been "studying police work" for eleven years.I could save that post along with the B.S. quote and make you a serious contender for this year's KOTY award.


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And the moral of the story is....Don't point a gun at ANYTHING you don't intend to shoot...especially the swat team.

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Yeah....I wonder how criminals who strangle using rope,stockings,belts,etc. or those who murder using guns and knives could ever be caught,having all those legal items in their possession,after all. I guess the cops are also screwed if he had items in his home like credit cards,documents,or other presumably harmless items which are presumably legal also, even if they just happen to belong to someone else whose home was invaded. Some lose sight of the basics which premise the issuance of search warrants,I guess.

Folks with a agenda aren't able to comprehend the probable fact that there is at least one solid,long-time informant who has been helping LE piece this all together. It also appears 2-3 of the 4 homes were owned by the Guerera brothers and/or maybe their mother.From some of the information I gathered and read,and in reading between the lines, it is obvious, to me, that only a informant or victims could ID the specific items for police to specify as possible inculpatory evidence in their search warrant affidavit. There were most likely wiretaps, as well,if this investigation lasted 6 months or more. I'm speculating it was at least one year and maybe up to three years. Further,the police having info that the dead Guerera was involved in the hiring of rip crews further suggests the possibility that someone on the inside of the enterprise was singing to save his ass from some lengthy penitentiary time.

Birdie....multiple counts of drug smuggling,home invasion robberies and, of course, murder equates to the rest of your life in prison,if not the death chamber. Since you're looking at possibilities, it's also possible Guerera knew the gig was up and he wasn't going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

My guess,emphasis MY GUESS, is that you'll soon see the Guerera brothers were smuggling drugs for the cartels and also engaged in other local enterprises on the side. If LE didn't have a informant or two to protect and 3-4 Guerera,family owned houses of seized items to sort through and piece together,a much larger dissemination of damning evidence against the enterprise(s)would have occurred by now.Protecting a informant or insider from a hit, prior to testifying or thereafter, is a extremely serious priority of LE and they will do all they can to completely shield the informant's identity not only prior to testifying but altogether,if possible.If the prosecution is able to scare the schit out of a family member,like a wife,gf or even mom, sometimes that's enough to get what you need to force a plea and keep the identity of the informant from ever being disclosed. The Guerera family will only get some money if TV crime programs have to pay royalties to air their criminal endeavors.When all said and done,it is my feeling Tucson may offer bus fare out of town for those who didn't end up in prison.

Anyways, that's my gut take after 24 years of playing,learning and scrapping in these type trenches. If the dialog we're having here and the guessing seems a fun exercise, imagine what it would feel like actually defending/prosecuting this action and you had access to the entire unredacted package,save for the informant disclosure.


I think your assessment is about accurate or more so than anyone else on here. Not bad for an attorney laugh

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