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Mac ; do you think it a legitimate area of concern for the Tucson citizens that during all the planning sessions taking place in this "complex and long" investigation there was no person or group of professionals within the Sheriff's Office able [or willing] to convince Dupnik that the risks inherent in a raid of this type were too great under the circumstances?

no koolaid drinkin here.
the truth of the matter is
if you're gonna greet the swat team bustin in your door
with a loaded/unloaded, safety engaged/safety off
real/plastic toy gun.
you can expect to get your dumb azz shot
right,wrong,innocent,guilty
all that doesn't really matter at this stage.
if swat was justfied or not
the guy is still very DEAD.
and that,like paul harvey used to say...
is the rest of the story

Statement from Arizona SWAT Raid

Very interesting.



http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...c4c002e0-revisions/4ddf3bbdc793c.pdf.pdf

There is always someone who has to play devil's advocate. Given hindsite is 20/20 then yes it's an area of concern. I don't want to get into why didn't they take him at work or when he left the house, they are numerous risks there as well.

Remember we are talking about a Civil-not Criminal-case.

Remember that it is not relevant how a Va. lawyer would respond to a Swat team raid but that it is relevant how a Marine combat vet would likely react if :

A.He was guilty of the S.O. suspicions.

B.He was innocent.

Due to the fact that they killed him ,he can't refute the cop's story about where the rifle was pointed.

A judge in a civil trial would be interested in the next best thing which is to determine how he -Jose, not Isaac-
likely would have reacted under both scenarios.

Wrong again Squats to Pee.

Gee thanks cur but I'll just stick with the rules of evidence, if OK with you.

Which are pretty broad in a civil lawsuit.

curmudgeon,

It doesn't matter one whit whether the safety was engaged or not. He could swipe it to fire in under 0.1 seconds - much faster than SWAT could react to it IF they could see the safety, which they couldn't. Regardless, all the preceding is irrelevant as he had a weapon and was pointing it at the SWAT team. Being a Peace Officer is not a suicide pact. They don't have to take unnecessary risks, and they damn sure don't have to wait for a suspect holding a firearm to shoot at them before neutralizing him, making him a non-threat. Say it after me curmudgeon: The safety doesn't mean schit, the safety doesn't mean schit, the safety doesn't mean schit. You're a hard-headed old fool, and Squats to Pee seems to have taken a liking to you. She'll +1 anything you put up there now.

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If you say so,cur!

While the standard of proof is easier, I believe the rules of evidence are similar if not identical, but it's been a while since I've studied this subject, so I will defer to Isaac on that.

You're much closer to reality than he is.

Take cover and read the Bible quick! The Rapture is here!!!

hawkeye did something to my computer via his airwaves,I think. The moment I hit submit, I immediately looked to see if I had said that and when I went to hit edit,a screen popped up saying "too late,sucka'"

I think you can be trusted to resolve a question as mechanical as that, i.e., it either is or isn't, and it's your occupation to know.

You only put it in quotes for future reference.

Of course, curdog still has you beat on the arguments.

Well fool! I have my laptop covered in foil just to thwart his attacks.

I'm doubling the output on my brainwave control device. Tinfoil will need to be heavy duty Reynolds Wrap to defeat it.

Note to self: Upgrade to foil version 2.0.