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FDR was a true solialist


OK, Leon, i'll buy that, sorta..... still a better man than most living today, by my lights..... he was handed a tremendous burden, and did not try to dodge it.....


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SteveNO,

Do you really think I give a [bleep] if you run from this debate?

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Your initial statement and your premise is "Bill Clinton legalized partial birth abortion."


Are you denying that Clinton had the ability to make illegal infanticide but didn't?

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That is simply not true. Period. Not subject to debate.


M'man, do always protect your inability to debate by defing that which is suitable for it?

Robert Bork wrote, "His [Clinton's] veto and feminist demand for what is, in truth, infanticide underscore the causal brutality born of nihilism that is an ever more prominent feature of our culture." (i) You ought to analyze other things he wrote about Clinton's role in PBA. Clinton was the personification of evil that was needed to bring to fruition the true intention of Roe v. Wade, that being unfettered access to abortion at any point during pregnancy.

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But he didn't legalize PBA.


This is the tenuous thread upon which you hold out your argumnet, a more authentic parsing of words might not exist.

Let me ask you a question: If Clinton had signed legislation outlawing PBA when it was presented to him, would infanticide be legal?

I know full well the basis of your argument, but unlike you, I do not hold it to be a defense for Clinton's culpability in PBA. If you're conscience is tight with it, we're of a very different cloth!

At the time PBA was examined by congress, its legality was in question. As far as I recall, no law existed that specifically allowed it to be practiced. Congress took the initiative by proscribing PBA and sent it to Clinton for signature. His refusal was tantamount to making legal a procedure of undefined status. But we can never forget that he had the ability to remove all doubt and make it illegal but he lacked character to do so.

Good luck,

Leon

(i) Bork, Robert H Slouching Towards Gomorrah. 1996 ReganBooks: NY, NY pp 182-83

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I just didn't get PRK but now I think you are abrievating Peoples Repbulik of Kalifornia.


You mean the finest state in the Peoples Repbulik of Amerika? Lawdog
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No, Leon, I don't run from debates, but this isn't one. It's just you repeating the same BS over and over.

Your quote from Judge Bork is accurate, but irrelevant to your mistaken point. He doesn't agree with you, and wouldn't. He can grasp distinctions that make differences. You obviously can't.

And BTW, I know Robert Bork from his work on Republican senatorial campaigns. The pocket constitution on my desk as I write this is inscribed: "Support, protect and defend this document...as originally intended.
Best wishes, Robert Bork".

Hasta la vista, Leon. You just got upgraded from dumb a$$ to "ignore".


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As we hear taps softly played in the in the background, Leon slowly rides into the sunset! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Buh Bye Leon....


When it comes to choosing friends....I'm at an age where I'd rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.

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... "this debate is not about the best cartridge for deer "...

And we all saw how well Leon coped with those who did share his passion for the .308 Winchester in that conversation also.

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Gunny Bob,

I should have known that the flies would come out after the intellectual work is done!

And you've done what...???


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And BTW, I know Robert Bork from his work on Republican senatorial campaigns. The pocket constitution on my desk as I write this is inscribed: "Support, protect and defend this document...as originally intended.
Best wishes, Robert Bork".


If you do know Robert Bork you'd know the essence of his most excellent tome of from which I cited for you. If you read his book, you'd know the basis of his intellectual arguments, something lacking fromyour corner.

My m'man, I, too, have a pocket Constitution book. Your having one does not implicate intelligence. In fact, it ain't so much the Constitutin but the interpretation of same that is critical, something of which I am sure a sharp guy like you already knows, right?

And adios to you, omniscient one. Just like Gunny Bob, you're always right, facts be damned. Is this reflected in your vita??

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TLee,

Other than your duplicitous comments here, what of intellectual significance have you contributed?


Adios,

Leon

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Leon peers through his sights, he thinks sight alignment, sight picture, breathe, relax, aim, stop, squeeze.... suddenly the rifle bucks and....

a few seconds later his target drops....

waiting on the line he gets impatient, when the target finally comes back up he is disked....




































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Steve,

BTW, if your:

"No, Leon, I don't run from debates, but this isn't one. It's just you repeating the same BS over and over."

ain't projection, what the hell is it? This is all you've done, stick to parsing in support of Clinton and then rail against me for exposing your gimmick!


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The funny thing is that but for the sycophants who came a snoopin' of late, the only one who have attacked me are those who have either tacitly supported abortion or Clinton. Is that coincidental???

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Gunny Bob,

Are you for real or merely a soldier of fortune? I mean anyone can play any role on the 'net. I think I have learned yours.


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Click on my username....

Click on "Show all users posts"....

Read and enjoy.

Come back and tell me who you think I am.


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I'll do my best as soon as you start Sir.


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FDR was a true solialist


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OK, Leon, i'll buy that, sorta..... still a better man than most living today, by my lights..... he was handed a tremendous burden, and did not try to dodge it.....


i was thinking of the "great depression" when i wrote that.... WWII added on makes him the head of state upon which the two greatest blows to our capitalist republic, in the twentieth century, landed..... he died in the traces while pulling us out....
i'll agree that in retrospect, some of what he did was shortsighted..... America and western civilization still owe him a lot..... john w


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Gunny,

You don't owe captain dunzel any answers!

Keep safe, buddy!

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Hmmmmm intersting topic...As a woman I don't buy the idea that any one should tell me what i can and can not do with my own body. Though I feel the ladies(umm i use that term loosly for some) that choose to continue to conceive and then want society to help take care of their offspring add to ire that taxpayers feel. What to do when you find yourself pregnant should be your choice...i.e..victim of a rape should be allowed the choice..one with a major medical problem should have a choice..frickin spready freddies should have their tubes tied!

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